ok, everything is great and so, but.. it would be great to see some designing use examples of this plugin, as for now i see it as great analysis tool..
Hi Atis, Thanks for your comment. If you mean a physical modifications by design; I should say such methods are not included in this toolkit. In any case, according to a definition, a planned change in an existing situation towards a better one could be considered as design. You may use the results you get from these component to do changes or organizations on urban settlements.For instance, the distribution component could be used to define the density of plots around important locations. If you can think of other generic method that you would like to have for designing, please let us know.
Hello to everyone. I have just tested the plug-in and I think that is a very useful tool.
The only thing that I want to mention is about the "walker" component. When i don't use any topography and I work in a plan lanscape, I have to make a plane mesh as reference in order to connect it with the input of the topography of the component. Eitherwise it is not going to work. Another solution it would be the component to recognise that it does not need any topography info when everythng is in the same level (plan landscape). Continue the good work!
Excellent plugin. I´m working with it and it is very interesting and usesfull, but I have one problem. I can´t bake the results of the analyse.For example, when I bake Networkdistancecalculator i can´t bake de colours of the lines, or when i want to bake plot measures i can´t have de colours of the plots only the boundry of it.
I don´t know how to become the grasshopper analys to vectorial objects in rhino.
Hi Anthony, Thanks for your comment. Indeed, it would be interesting to be able to bake colored lines. However, the lines are just previewed by those colors in the methods we are using. In any case, given that you have the output colors, you may bake the lines using these tools by Giulio Piacentino:
Thanks for you quick answer Pirouz. But I am more interested in bake the plot measures (the colours) and i can´t. There is no way to become the grasshopper analyse into vectors in rhino?
Hello, fellas. I would like to make one more question. I try the between-ness component and I get these two errors attached. Could you please help me out a bit? What have I done wrong? I guess there is something wrong with the drawn geometry in Rhino, but I dont really know what... error%20betw.png
Hi Michalis, The first error message is the one we have put there to inform users about lines which are disconnected from other lines. You need to make sure all lines in your network are connected to at least one other line. For future versions, if our schedule allows we hope to add an index output to let you know which lines exactly are disconnected. For the time being, you need to inspect your network manually. Please let us know if the error persists.
Hi Anthony, please find the attached model. That's what you can do with the model at this moment to bake the results. I will think about an integrated solution for the next release. I hope this helps. Baking_Cheetah_results.gh
Hi Mahmoud, did you drag and drop the green GHA file into your GH canvas? After the installation finishes, you get a GHA file that is the plugin in a location that you specify during installation. You need to put a copy of this GHA file in your grasshopper/specifal folders/components folder
The problem is that you have not done this, most probably.
Pirouz Nourian HI .when h download CONFIGURBANIST" i did not find green GHA file i have just found this icon on my desktop after instlation compleeted yet no change happend in grass hopper .. so could you upload the green gh file please !
Sorry for my late response; had lost track of the posts here unfortunately. good that it is solved. I will try to generate an automatic warning message for such matters in the next release.
For the time being, till the end of August, I will not be able to support in using these tools. I am applying for a research fund to be able to dedicate more time to the development of CONFIGURBANIST methodology. If you have enjoyed the plugin, please consider spreading the word and inviting members. A better visibility will certainly improve our chances and eventually help us improving this work.
I tried to follow your CONFIGURBANIST V 0 0 2 video clip but it is way too fast to follow up. I am going to replicate your way for a student research about space syntax analyses. Do you have any slower version of it or any written script? That would be great help. Thank you
Hi Azad, thanks, it went relatively well. The only manual I have available now is the attached, I hope it helps, I don't know how the video can be slowed down though. I hope this helps. Cheetah_Manual.pdf
Hi Giulio, one common problem is unconnected network segments. If all inputs are valid and matching for catchment component it should work. In any case, if possible please let me have a look at your file.
Thanks to Guilio, I found a problem with the catchment component. Have solved the problem and made a replacement for the time being. Please drag and drop this to your Grasshopper and let it replace the old component with this one (in the pop up window say yes replace all). Catchment_Cheetah.gha
This tool is really useful for weighting the origins and destinations.But the Gh examples doesnot work .It shows that SNG is inactive ,and Networkdist is just red.My gh and Rhino are both the latest version.I don know if I miss some steps?
Hi Karan, You have not posted your geometry file, anyway I would say most probably it includes tiny segments or disconnected components. You cannot easily accept whatever on OSM. I have a temporary solution attached for the time being. It is a component from the next version which is being cooked now. In any case it is best to double check your network. Segmenter.gh
Edit: I have matched the number of attraction points and weights, which fixed the 'red' components. But now, analysis colors are only showing up on one small set of lines at the edge, no matter what I do. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Hi, first of all, thanks for providing such an incredible tool. I can see great potential here. Just a question, I'm trying to re-create a sample part of your YouTube video with a simple rectangular grid, but I cannot get any analysis colors to show up. I imagine it is something very basic, I'd very appreciate if anyone can provide some quick guidance. Thank you!
Hi Andrew, I'm happy that you've found the tools useful. The main problem was that the network lines should be fed in as a flat list; but they were in a tree. File is corrected and attached.
Hi again, Pirouz, can you or anyone else take a quick look at this and help figure out an experiment I'm trying? I want to create walk-distance circles whose radii correspond to their distance from a point (so circles which are further away get bigger proportional to their distance). I've put the components in place using Cheetah, and now I have circles at intersections, but their sizes don't correspond to distance from the point. What am I missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
Hi Andrew, walking distances in urban networks are shown by catchment areas not circles; a circle corresponds to points whose Euclidean (straight-line/as-the-crow-flies) distance is less than its radius. Here I would use catchment component instead.
Apart from this; considering you want to assign any value to a number of objects: you have 28 locations (corresponding to circles) and 78 values! What do you want to do? 28*78 different objects (circles)? If so you need to graft the point input of circle component. What sense would it make; I do not see!
Hi Pirouz, yes, the configuration in the file certainly has problems that I haven't addressed, such as the example you brought up. Attached is a file demonstrating what I wanted to achieve. In this file things are much easier because of the completely orthogonal grid (used the 'taxicab' equation).
It might be easier to compute the distance of junctions from one another; but it is more effective to find the distance of locations on streets. This is why I am developing the new version of configurbanist. This will be clearer in the new version. I would use the colors to indicate nearness. But if you insist to use circles, here is your file attached. WalkTimeGrid-PZN_Ed.gh
Thank you, Pirouz, that helps a lot. I think you're right about colors being much clearer than circles. I take this as a good learning experience though (still really new to GH). It's great to hear that you're working on a new version of Configurbanist, I and many others are looking forward to seeing it!
Good evening, I have a quick question, how large is the AOI that the component has? I need to evaluate a pretty big area but I get this error: 1. Solution exception:Value too big or too small for Int32.
Here are the files for reference. Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Luis, I have not yet pushed it to limits. There will be issues with betweenness calculation for sure. The new version is on its way and it will be significantly faster. I am planning to release the new version sometime in July. I´ll check your files now
I did not manage to open your files. They crash GH. Looking at the error message I guess it is because your street network (most probably from OSM) is not topologically connected; meaning it has streets that probably appear to be intersecting while they do not. I know it can be cumbersome to search for such problems in a large network but if the input graph is not connected you get errors from path finding algorithms and the whole process gets stuck.
I'll definitely have to check that out since I was able to recreate the error in a small portion and it was because of the reason you told me, not all of the streets were topologically connected, thanks for your help, Pirouz
Hi all, it looks like nothing is going on with the development, but in fact we are continuously working on a new version. I tested a whole new version in a workshop for eCAADe conference at TU Wien recently. I also presented the new features in a paper and a talk:
Hi Tim, thanks for point out :) ps. the new version is getting almost ready. It will be based on a dll that can be used in coding new projects. Can't promise a date yet because I am busy with writing my dissertation but sometime in the spring I hope we will publish it.
Pirouz Nourian
Dec 18, 2013
Atis Sedlenieks
ok, everything is great and so, but.. it would be great to see some designing use examples of this plugin, as for now i see it as great analysis tool..
Dec 21, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Atis, Thanks for your comment. If you mean a physical modifications by design; I should say such methods are not included in this toolkit. In any case, according to a definition, a planned change in an existing situation towards a better one could be considered as design. You may use the results you get from these component to do changes or organizations on urban settlements.For instance, the distribution component could be used to define the density of plots around important locations. If you can think of other generic method that you would like to have for designing, please let us know.
Dec 23, 2013
Michalis Takopoulos
Hello to everyone. I have just tested the plug-in and I think that is a very useful tool.
The only thing that I want to mention is about the "walker" component. When i don't use any topography and I work in a plan lanscape, I have to make a plane mesh as reference in order to connect it with the input of the topography of the component. Eitherwise it is not going to work. Another solution it would be the component to recognise that it does not need any topography info when everythng is in the same level (plan landscape). Continue the good work!
Dec 31, 2013
Samane
Dear Michalis,
Thanks for your support and letting us know! We have forgotten to make this input as an optional one. We will fix it as soon as possible.
Happy new year!
Dec 31, 2013
Anthony P. Ar
Excellent plugin. I´m working with it and it is very interesting and usesfull, but I have one problem. I can´t bake the results of the analyse.For example, when I bake Networkdistancecalculator i can´t bake de colours of the lines, or when i want to bake plot measures i can´t have de colours of the plots only the boundry of it.
I don´t know how to become the grasshopper analys to vectorial objects in rhino.
Jan 10, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Anthony, Thanks for your comment. Indeed, it would be interesting to be able to bake colored lines. However, the lines are just previewed by those colors in the methods we are using. In any case, given that you have the output colors, you may bake the lines using these tools by Giulio Piacentino:
http://www.giuliopiacentino.com/grasshopper-tools/
Keep in touch!
Best regards,
Pirouz
Jan 10, 2014
Anthony P. Ar
Thanks for you quick answer Pirouz. But I am more interested in bake the plot measures (the colours) and i can´t. There is no way to become the grasshopper analyse into vectors in rhino?
Jan 10, 2014
Michalis Takopoulos
Hello, fellas. I would like to make one more question. I try the between-ness component and I get these two errors attached. Could you please help me out a bit? What have I done wrong? I guess there is something wrong with the drawn geometry in Rhino, but I dont really know what... error%20betw.png
Jan 11, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Michalis, The first error message is the one we have put there to inform users about lines which are disconnected from other lines. You need to make sure all lines in your network are connected to at least one other line. For future versions, if our schedule allows we hope to add an index output to let you know which lines exactly are disconnected. For the time being, you need to inspect your network manually. Please let us know if the error persists.
Jan 12, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Anthony, please find the attached model. That's what you can do with the model at this moment to bake the results. I will think about an integrated solution for the next release. I hope this helps. Baking_Cheetah_results.gh
Jan 12, 2014
Anthony P. Ar
Thank you very much Pirouz it has been very useful for me. Now i can use the analysis in presentations and show it smart.
Good job and thanks.
Jan 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Thanks for your kind words Anthony. I am happy that you have found the tools useful!
Jan 13, 2014
mahmoud fathi
i downloaded CONFIGURBANIST" plugin and set up it yet it seam to be dosent work ???
Feb 11, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Mahmoud, did you drag and drop the green GHA file into your GH canvas? After the installation finishes, you get a GHA file that is the plugin in a location that you specify during installation. You need to put a copy of this GHA file in your grasshopper/specifal folders/components folder
The problem is that you have not done this, most probably.
I hope this helps.
Pirouz
Feb 11, 2014
mahmoud fathi
Pirouz Nourian HI .when h download CONFIGURBANIST" i did not find green GHA file i have just found this icon on my desktop after instlation compleeted yet no change happend in grass hopper .. so could you upload the green gh file please !
Feb 11, 2014
mahmoud fathi
Feb 11, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Mahmoud, I suggest you do the installation once again and choose a location on your computer where you want the GHA file to be placed.
Feb 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Zuzanna,
Sorry for my late response; had lost track of the posts here unfortunately. good that it is solved. I will try to generate an automatic warning message for such matters in the next release.
Mar 31, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi, I released these tools yesterday. Thought you might find them useful in urban analysis.
https://sites.google.com/site/pirouznourian/otb_3dgis
For the time being, till the end of August, I will not be able to support in using these tools. I am applying for a research fund to be able to dedicate more time to the development of CONFIGURBANIST methodology. If you have enjoyed the plugin, please consider spreading the word and inviting members. A better visibility will certainly improve our chances and eventually help us improving this work.
Aug 8, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
FYI:
Free CAD City Maps in DXF format, made out of OpenStreetMaps:
http://bdon.org/2014/08/03/osm-cad-experiment/
Aug 12, 2014
Azad Hadji K
Hi Pirouz,
I wish you coped well with your deadline.
I tried to follow your CONFIGURBANIST V 0 0 2 video clip but it is way too fast to follow up. I am going to replicate your way for a student research about space syntax analyses. Do you have any slower version of it or any written script? That would be great help. Thank you
Sep 17, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Azad, thanks, it went relatively well. The only manual I have available now is the attached, I hope it helps, I don't know how the video can be slowed down though. I hope this helps. Cheetah_Manual.pdf
For Space Syntax related investigations, perhaps it's better to continue the discussion here: http://www.grasshopper3d.com/group/space-syntax
Sep 18, 2014
J[D]
Hi Pirouz!
I was testing the last version of this plug-in and I had a problem:
the output of the "Catchment Analysis component" is always empty...Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?
Thanks,
Giulio
Oct 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Giulio, one common problem is unconnected network segments. If all inputs are valid and matching for catchment component it should work. In any case, if possible please let me have a look at your file.
Best,
Pirouz
Oct 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
forgot to mention my email address: p.nourian@tudelft.nl
Oct 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Thanks to Guilio, I found a problem with the catchment component. Have solved the problem and made a replacement for the time being. Please drag and drop this to your Grasshopper and let it replace the old component with this one (in the pop up window say yes replace all). Catchment_Cheetah.gha
Oct 15, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
problem was it would not put out the polygons and IDs of reached plots.
Oct 15, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Could you please explain clearly what is your problem and attached your GH definition as well?
Nov 6, 2014
Shaoying Lei
Hi Dr. Pirouz,
This tool is really useful for weighting the origins and destinations.But the Gh examples doesnot work .It shows that SNG is inactive ,and Networkdist is just red.My gh and Rhino are both the latest version.I don know if I miss some steps?
Nov 17, 2014
Shaoying Lei
I also use your Rhino examples,so lines are well connected I guess, but SNG caculator just goes red too if I input any value.
Nov 17, 2014
Shaoying Lei
The error message :1. Solution exception:Cannot find a way:“Boolean Rhino.Geometry.Line.EpsilonEquals(Rhino.Geometry.Line, Double)”。
Nov 17, 2014
karan dalwadi
Error_grasshopper%20file.gh
Thank you for access to your work and tools.
I am more optimstic about incorporating and make more intuitive design decisions with the help of cheetah.
Attached is my .GHA file
Street network to a zone in Mumbai India.
I am getting an error through network street command, Segment lengths that are 0 m or very very low. Although I don't have any that small.
I used ELK to get the street network data.
Thank you for your time and help.
Jan 27, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Karan, You have not posted your geometry file, anyway I would say most probably it includes tiny segments or disconnected components. You cannot easily accept whatever on OSM. I have a temporary solution attached for the time being. It is a component from the next version which is being cooked now. In any case it is best to double check your network. Segmenter.gh
Jan 30, 2015
Andrew M
Edit: I have matched the number of attraction points and weights, which fixed the 'red' components. But now, analysis colors are only showing up on one small set of lines at the edge, no matter what I do. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Hi, first of all, thanks for providing such an incredible tool. I can see great potential here. Just a question, I'm trying to re-create a sample part of your YouTube video with a simple rectangular grid, but I cannot get any analysis colors to show up. I imagine it is something very basic, I'd very appreciate if anyone can provide some quick guidance. Thank you!
Files:
Public%20Services%20Analyses.3dm
Public%20Services%20Analyses.gh
Mar 6, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Andrew, I'm happy that you've found the tools useful. The main problem was that the network lines should be fed in as a flat list; but they were in a tree. File is corrected and attached.
PublicServicesAnalyses_PZN_Ed.gh
Mar 6, 2015
Andrew M
Thank you so much for your quick response, Pirouz! Looks great! I will keep exploring your product, as I said, its potential is mouthwatering.
Mar 6, 2015
Andrew M
Hi again, Pirouz, can you or anyone else take a quick look at this and help figure out an experiment I'm trying? I want to create walk-distance circles whose radii correspond to their distance from a point (so circles which are further away get bigger proportional to their distance). I've put the components in place using Cheetah, and now I have circles at intersections, but their sizes don't correspond to distance from the point. What am I missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
Non-Ortho%20Grid.3dm
Non-Ortho%20Grid.gh
Mar 7, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Andrew, walking distances in urban networks are shown by catchment areas not circles; a circle corresponds to points whose Euclidean (straight-line/as-the-crow-flies) distance is less than its radius. Here I would use catchment component instead.
Apart from this; considering you want to assign any value to a number of objects: you have 28 locations (corresponding to circles) and 78 values! What do you want to do? 28*78 different objects (circles)? If so you need to graft the point input of circle component. What sense would it make; I do not see!
Mar 7, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
one more thing; when you don't have distances from more than one single point, using proximity component (as it is now) does not change those values.
Mar 7, 2015
Andrew M
Hi Pirouz, yes, the configuration in the file certainly has problems that I haven't addressed, such as the example you brought up. Attached is a file demonstrating what I wanted to achieve. In this file things are much easier because of the completely orthogonal grid (used the 'taxicab' equation).
Walk%20Time-Grid.3dm
Walk%20Time-Grid.gh
Mar 7, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
It might be easier to compute the distance of junctions from one another; but it is more effective to find the distance of locations on streets. This is why I am developing the new version of configurbanist. This will be clearer in the new version. I would use the colors to indicate nearness. But if you insist to use circles, here is your file attached. WalkTimeGrid-PZN_Ed.gh
Mar 7, 2015
Andrew M
Thank you, Pirouz, that helps a lot. I think you're right about colors being much clearer than circles. I take this as a good learning experience though (still really new to GH). It's great to hear that you're working on a new version of Configurbanist, I and many others are looking forward to seeing it!
Mar 7, 2015
Luis Gordillo
Good evening, I have a quick question, how large is the AOI that the component has? I need to evaluate a pretty big area but I get this error: 1. Solution exception:Value too big or too small for Int32.
Here are the files for reference. Thanks in advance for your help.
CONFIGURBANIST%20TEST.3dm
CONFIGURBANIST%20TEST.gh
Jun 17, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Luis, I have not yet pushed it to limits. There will be issues with betweenness calculation for sure. The new version is on its way and it will be significantly faster. I am planning to release the new version sometime in July. I´ll check your files now
Jun 18, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
I did not manage to open your files. They crash GH. Looking at the error message I guess it is because your street network (most probably from OSM) is not topologically connected; meaning it has streets that probably appear to be intersecting while they do not. I know it can be cumbersome to search for such problems in a large network but if the input graph is not connected you get errors from path finding algorithms and the whole process gets stuck.
Jun 18, 2015
Luis Gordillo
I'll definitely have to check that out since I was able to recreate the error in a small portion and it was because of the reason you told me, not all of the streets were topologically connected, thanks for your help, Pirouz
Jun 18, 2015
Pirouz Nourian
Hi all, it looks like nothing is going on with the development, but in fact we are continuously working on a new version. I tested a whole new version in a workshop for eCAADe conference at TU Wien recently. I also presented the new features in a paper and a talk:
Here are links to my presentation and the paper:
https://mh-engage.ltcc.tuwien.ac.at/engage/ui/watch.html?id=b1dffea...
More info on my website:
https://sites.google.com/site/pirouznourian/configurbanist
the paper on CONFIGURBANIST, to be made open access early in 2016. For the time being, you can find it on research gate.
Oct 23, 2015
Tim
Found a typo.
Jan 11, 2016
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Tim, thanks for point out :) ps. the new version is getting almost ready. It will be based on a dll that can be used in coding new projects. Can't promise a date yet because I am busy with writing my dissertation but sometime in the spring I hope we will publish it.
Jan 11, 2016