We will release the GHA version very soon. At the moment, you can download the GH sample file and save the Cheetah components as user object components.
About the polycentric distribution component: if there is something to distribute like built space area or anything like that which requires a bounded distribution over network locations, according to some sort of network measures(with Cheetah you have pedestrian accessibility measures available), you may use this component. With this component you can control the spread and shape of a distribution by changing the "p" value and the number of steps.
Thanks for the reply. How can i save the Cheetah components as user object components? Can you please explain? I am not really a pro at this platform. Moreover, i am attaching screenshots of errors i am experiencing while using the gh file. I think first one is because i am using an old version of grasshopper, i am not really sure about second. Please confirm.
Samane, Thank you for your kind reply. Your explanation and the video you provided made a lot of sense, and it much clearer now. I would only like to ask you what p value stands for in polycentric distribution? I get the effect it has on the calculation, but how would you explain it in terms of real life usage?
I am also TU Delft student, currently doing MSc 3, and I plan to use your definition of walk-ability and your script (slightly changed and adapted), giving credit to you. If that is ok with you and Pirous
Strange thing is that your provided example is working, while my is not. I have tried redrawing street network, extending even more terrain, nothing seems to work
Good to hear that the video and explanations were of help. Of course it is alright with Pirouz and me to use Cheetah for your project with proper attribution.
I tried to download your file but the access was denied. Can you attach it again?
it is a .rar file, I hope this site allows using it...
Maybe to give a heads up, I found that the problem is with the street network, since I have taken your example, applied my terrain and it worked well. Any help would be appreciated
It is very important to provide Cheetah's inputs with proper inputs.There were some mistakes in your file:
1- In your street network, there was one street with length equal to 0.
2_ 10 blocks (block curves) were not closed; they were tiny lines and not closed polygons
3- The number of weights should be equal to attraction points' count, you had 3 attraction points but 30 weights!
4-The final result of network analysis is a data-tree of distances, containing lists of distances corresponding to the attraction points as bases of calculations. I did not understand why you provided the tree branch input with weights! That was the mistake.
I edited your file and everything is working properly. If you give me your email address I can send it to you.
I was in a hurry this morning, therefore, I found a way around - I've redrawn all of the streets, and it worked. It doesn't seem to have any troubles with the other issues you've mentioned.
thank you for your effort and your time, you it is highly appreciated
Hi there! I'm undergraduate student of Architecture and I'm almost totally new to grasshopper and i realy don't know how to set on cheetah plugin to work, out from this algorythm written in "Cheetah_Pilot_New_Series_Urban_Data_Scope_F.gh" file and I cannot find any other plugin saved in such way to base on its installation process (all saved as .gha files) Am I going to create user objects out of all grouped elements and set their properties? or is there any simpler way to get it work? I'd be very Greatful for any help! :)
Hi Maciej, Cheetah is at the moment a set of user components containing VB.NET codes, provided "as is". We are writing a gha for it but it takes a few days to be released here. We are improving a few features in the gha version, so if you can wait you will get a faster Cheetah in a few days. In any case, if you happen to have any difficulty in doing some analyses with those components, please let us know here.
ok, everything is great and so, but.. it would be great to see some designing use examples of this plugin, as for now i see it as great analysis tool..
Hi Atis, Thanks for your comment. If you mean a physical modifications by design; I should say such methods are not included in this toolkit. In any case, according to a definition, a planned change in an existing situation towards a better one could be considered as design. You may use the results you get from these component to do changes or organizations on urban settlements.For instance, the distribution component could be used to define the density of plots around important locations. If you can think of other generic method that you would like to have for designing, please let us know.
Hello to everyone. I have just tested the plug-in and I think that is a very useful tool.
The only thing that I want to mention is about the "walker" component. When i don't use any topography and I work in a plan lanscape, I have to make a plane mesh as reference in order to connect it with the input of the topography of the component. Eitherwise it is not going to work. Another solution it would be the component to recognise that it does not need any topography info when everythng is in the same level (plan landscape). Continue the good work!
Excellent plugin. I´m working with it and it is very interesting and usesfull, but I have one problem. I can´t bake the results of the analyse.For example, when I bake Networkdistancecalculator i can´t bake de colours of the lines, or when i want to bake plot measures i can´t have de colours of the plots only the boundry of it.
I don´t know how to become the grasshopper analys to vectorial objects in rhino.
Hi Anthony, Thanks for your comment. Indeed, it would be interesting to be able to bake colored lines. However, the lines are just previewed by those colors in the methods we are using. In any case, given that you have the output colors, you may bake the lines using these tools by Giulio Piacentino:
Thanks for you quick answer Pirouz. But I am more interested in bake the plot measures (the colours) and i can´t. There is no way to become the grasshopper analyse into vectors in rhino?
Hello, fellas. I would like to make one more question. I try the between-ness component and I get these two errors attached. Could you please help me out a bit? What have I done wrong? I guess there is something wrong with the drawn geometry in Rhino, but I dont really know what... error%20betw.png
Hi Michalis, The first error message is the one we have put there to inform users about lines which are disconnected from other lines. You need to make sure all lines in your network are connected to at least one other line. For future versions, if our schedule allows we hope to add an index output to let you know which lines exactly are disconnected. For the time being, you need to inspect your network manually. Please let us know if the error persists.
Hi Anthony, please find the attached model. That's what you can do with the model at this moment to bake the results. I will think about an integrated solution for the next release. I hope this helps. Baking_Cheetah_results.gh
Hi Mahmoud, did you drag and drop the green GHA file into your GH canvas? After the installation finishes, you get a GHA file that is the plugin in a location that you specify during installation. You need to put a copy of this GHA file in your grasshopper/specifal folders/components folder
The problem is that you have not done this, most probably.
Pirouz Nourian HI .when h download CONFIGURBANIST" i did not find green GHA file i have just found this icon on my desktop after instlation compleeted yet no change happend in grass hopper .. so could you upload the green gh file please !
Sorry for my late response; had lost track of the posts here unfortunately. good that it is solved. I will try to generate an automatic warning message for such matters in the next release.
For the time being, till the end of August, I will not be able to support in using these tools. I am applying for a research fund to be able to dedicate more time to the development of CONFIGURBANIST methodology. If you have enjoyed the plugin, please consider spreading the word and inviting members. A better visibility will certainly improve our chances and eventually help us improving this work.
I tried to follow your CONFIGURBANIST V 0 0 2 video clip but it is way too fast to follow up. I am going to replicate your way for a student research about space syntax analyses. Do you have any slower version of it or any written script? That would be great help. Thank you
Hi Azad, thanks, it went relatively well. The only manual I have available now is the attached, I hope it helps, I don't know how the video can be slowed down though. I hope this helps. Cheetah_Manual.pdf
Hi Giulio, one common problem is unconnected network segments. If all inputs are valid and matching for catchment component it should work. In any case, if possible please let me have a look at your file.
Thanks to Guilio, I found a problem with the catchment component. Have solved the problem and made a replacement for the time being. Please drag and drop this to your Grasshopper and let it replace the old component with this one (in the pop up window say yes replace all). Catchment_Cheetah.gha
Samane
Hi Nitya,
We will release the GHA version very soon. At the moment, you can download the GH sample file and save the Cheetah components as user object components.
Cheers,
Sama
Oct 19, 2013
Samane
Petar,
About the polycentric distribution component: if there is something to distribute like built space area or anything like that which requires a bounded distribution over network locations, according to some sort of network measures(with Cheetah you have pedestrian accessibility measures available), you may use this component. With this component you can control the spread and shape of a distribution by changing the "p" value and the number of steps.
Cheers,
Sama
Oct 19, 2013
Nitya Balan
Hi Sama!
Thanks for the reply. How can i save the Cheetah components as user object components? Can you please explain? I am not really a pro at this platform. Moreover, i am attaching screenshots of errors i am experiencing while using the gh file. I think first one is because i am using an old version of grasshopper, i am not really sure about second. Please confirm.
Cheers!
Oct 19, 2013
Nitya Balan
Oct 19, 2013
Nitya Balan
Oct 19, 2013
Petar Pejic
Samane, Thank you for your kind reply. Your explanation and the video you provided made a lot of sense, and it much clearer now. I would only like to ask you what p value stands for in polycentric distribution? I get the effect it has on the calculation, but how would you explain it in terms of real life usage?
I am also TU Delft student, currently doing MSc 3, and I plan to use your definition of walk-ability and your script (slightly changed and adapted), giving credit to you. If that is ok with you and Pirous
Oct 20, 2013
Petar Pejic
Also, terrain calculation is not working, even after I have checked all suggestions. I am attaching a file so if anyone wants to give it a try.
Rhino and GH file
Oct 20, 2013
Petar Pejic
Strange thing is that your provided example is working, while my is not. I have tried redrawing street network, extending even more terrain, nothing seems to work
Oct 20, 2013
Samane
Hi Nitya,
Your grasshopper is very old. Cheetah is not compatible with 0.90014 version.
for saving components as user object components, while one is selected go to File> Create User Object and save it.
Sama
Oct 21, 2013
Samane
Hi Petar,
Good to hear that the video and explanations were of help. Of course it is alright with Pirouz and me to use Cheetah for your project with proper attribution.
I tried to download your file but the access was denied. Can you attach it again?
Sama
Oct 21, 2013
Petar Pejic
sure.. Desktop.rar
it is a .rar file, I hope this site allows using it...
Maybe to give a heads up, I found that the problem is with the street network, since I have taken your example, applied my terrain and it worked well. Any help would be appreciated
Oct 21, 2013
Petar Pejic
or rapidshare link http://rapidshare.com/share/E097672A006A9CF26548DB2BAB685523
Oct 21, 2013
Nitya Balan
Samane! thank you so much for guiding me. I'll upgrade my version and come back to you with further queries.
Thanks for being so helpful!
Cheers!
Oct 21, 2013
Samane
Oct 22, 2013
Petar Pejic
Dear Samane,
I was in a hurry this morning, therefore, I found a way around - I've redrawn all of the streets, and it worked. It doesn't seem to have any troubles with the other issues you've mentioned.
thank you for your effort and your time, you it is highly appreciated
Oct 22, 2013
Samane
Dear Petra,
Good to hear that. But in order to make sure you are getting correct outputs, I would suggest to check items numbers 3 and 4 as well.
Good Luck
Oct 23, 2013
Maciej Pitek
Hi there!
I'm undergraduate student of Architecture and I'm almost totally new to grasshopper and i realy don't know how to set on cheetah plugin to work, out from this algorythm written in "Cheetah_Pilot_New_Series_Urban_Data_Scope_F.gh" file
and I cannot find any other plugin saved in such way to base on its installation process (all saved as .gha files)
Am I going to create user objects out of all grouped elements and set their properties?
or is there any simpler way to get it work?
I'd be very Greatful for any help!
:)
Nov 25, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Maciej, Cheetah is at the moment a set of user components containing VB.NET codes, provided "as is". We are writing a gha for it but it takes a few days to be released here. We are improving a few features in the gha version, so if you can wait you will get a faster Cheetah in a few days. In any case, if you happen to have any difficulty in doing some analyses with those components, please let us know here.
Nov 26, 2013
Maciej Pitek
Ok. Thank You for answer!
So I'm looking forward to see this version!
Good luck! :)
Nov 26, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
We are doing final tests on a GHA version of Cheetah, the CONFIGURBANIST. It is coming soon!
Nov 29, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
Hi everyone, we just released a GHA version on our webpage. Please use this one instead of the old clusters.
Dec 15, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
Hi, have you installed the new GHA version? Is it working? Please let us know if you happen to notice any problem.
Dec 17, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
Dec 18, 2013
Atis Sedlenieks
ok, everything is great and so, but.. it would be great to see some designing use examples of this plugin, as for now i see it as great analysis tool..
Dec 21, 2013
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Atis, Thanks for your comment. If you mean a physical modifications by design; I should say such methods are not included in this toolkit. In any case, according to a definition, a planned change in an existing situation towards a better one could be considered as design. You may use the results you get from these component to do changes or organizations on urban settlements.For instance, the distribution component could be used to define the density of plots around important locations. If you can think of other generic method that you would like to have for designing, please let us know.
Dec 23, 2013
Michalis Takopoulos
Hello to everyone. I have just tested the plug-in and I think that is a very useful tool.
The only thing that I want to mention is about the "walker" component. When i don't use any topography and I work in a plan lanscape, I have to make a plane mesh as reference in order to connect it with the input of the topography of the component. Eitherwise it is not going to work. Another solution it would be the component to recognise that it does not need any topography info when everythng is in the same level (plan landscape). Continue the good work!
Dec 31, 2013
Samane
Dear Michalis,
Thanks for your support and letting us know! We have forgotten to make this input as an optional one. We will fix it as soon as possible.
Happy new year!
Dec 31, 2013
Anthony P. Ar
Excellent plugin. I´m working with it and it is very interesting and usesfull, but I have one problem. I can´t bake the results of the analyse.For example, when I bake Networkdistancecalculator i can´t bake de colours of the lines, or when i want to bake plot measures i can´t have de colours of the plots only the boundry of it.
I don´t know how to become the grasshopper analys to vectorial objects in rhino.
Jan 10, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Anthony, Thanks for your comment. Indeed, it would be interesting to be able to bake colored lines. However, the lines are just previewed by those colors in the methods we are using. In any case, given that you have the output colors, you may bake the lines using these tools by Giulio Piacentino:
http://www.giuliopiacentino.com/grasshopper-tools/
Keep in touch!
Best regards,
Pirouz
Jan 10, 2014
Anthony P. Ar
Thanks for you quick answer Pirouz. But I am more interested in bake the plot measures (the colours) and i can´t. There is no way to become the grasshopper analyse into vectors in rhino?
Jan 10, 2014
Michalis Takopoulos
Hello, fellas. I would like to make one more question. I try the between-ness component and I get these two errors attached. Could you please help me out a bit? What have I done wrong? I guess there is something wrong with the drawn geometry in Rhino, but I dont really know what... error%20betw.png
Jan 11, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Michalis, The first error message is the one we have put there to inform users about lines which are disconnected from other lines. You need to make sure all lines in your network are connected to at least one other line. For future versions, if our schedule allows we hope to add an index output to let you know which lines exactly are disconnected. For the time being, you need to inspect your network manually. Please let us know if the error persists.
Jan 12, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Anthony, please find the attached model. That's what you can do with the model at this moment to bake the results. I will think about an integrated solution for the next release. I hope this helps. Baking_Cheetah_results.gh
Jan 12, 2014
Anthony P. Ar
Thank you very much Pirouz it has been very useful for me. Now i can use the analysis in presentations and show it smart.
Good job and thanks.
Jan 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Thanks for your kind words Anthony. I am happy that you have found the tools useful!
Jan 13, 2014
mahmoud fathi
i downloaded CONFIGURBANIST" plugin and set up it yet it seam to be dosent work ???
Feb 11, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Mahmoud, did you drag and drop the green GHA file into your GH canvas? After the installation finishes, you get a GHA file that is the plugin in a location that you specify during installation. You need to put a copy of this GHA file in your grasshopper/specifal folders/components folder
The problem is that you have not done this, most probably.
I hope this helps.
Pirouz
Feb 11, 2014
mahmoud fathi
Pirouz Nourian HI .when h download CONFIGURBANIST" i did not find green GHA file i have just found this icon on my desktop after instlation compleeted yet no change happend in grass hopper .. so could you upload the green gh file please !
Feb 11, 2014
mahmoud fathi
Feb 11, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Mahmoud, I suggest you do the installation once again and choose a location on your computer where you want the GHA file to be placed.
Feb 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Zuzanna,
Sorry for my late response; had lost track of the posts here unfortunately. good that it is solved. I will try to generate an automatic warning message for such matters in the next release.
Mar 31, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi, I released these tools yesterday. Thought you might find them useful in urban analysis.
https://sites.google.com/site/pirouznourian/otb_3dgis
For the time being, till the end of August, I will not be able to support in using these tools. I am applying for a research fund to be able to dedicate more time to the development of CONFIGURBANIST methodology. If you have enjoyed the plugin, please consider spreading the word and inviting members. A better visibility will certainly improve our chances and eventually help us improving this work.
Aug 8, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
FYI:
Free CAD City Maps in DXF format, made out of OpenStreetMaps:
http://bdon.org/2014/08/03/osm-cad-experiment/
Aug 12, 2014
Azad Hadji K
Hi Pirouz,
I wish you coped well with your deadline.
I tried to follow your CONFIGURBANIST V 0 0 2 video clip but it is way too fast to follow up. I am going to replicate your way for a student research about space syntax analyses. Do you have any slower version of it or any written script? That would be great help. Thank you
Sep 17, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Azad, thanks, it went relatively well. The only manual I have available now is the attached, I hope it helps, I don't know how the video can be slowed down though. I hope this helps. Cheetah_Manual.pdf
For Space Syntax related investigations, perhaps it's better to continue the discussion here: http://www.grasshopper3d.com/group/space-syntax
Sep 18, 2014
J[D]
Hi Pirouz!
I was testing the last version of this plug-in and I had a problem:
the output of the "Catchment Analysis component" is always empty...Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?
Thanks,
Giulio
Oct 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Hi Giulio, one common problem is unconnected network segments. If all inputs are valid and matching for catchment component it should work. In any case, if possible please let me have a look at your file.
Best,
Pirouz
Oct 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
forgot to mention my email address: p.nourian@tudelft.nl
Oct 13, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
Thanks to Guilio, I found a problem with the catchment component. Have solved the problem and made a replacement for the time being. Please drag and drop this to your Grasshopper and let it replace the old component with this one (in the pop up window say yes replace all). Catchment_Cheetah.gha
Oct 15, 2014
Pirouz Nourian
problem was it would not put out the polygons and IDs of reached plots.
Oct 15, 2014