: August 15 & 16Time: 8:00am - 5:00pmPrice: US$495
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This workshop will give students a functional understanding of Grasshopper and generative data driven design. This will allow them to build on this understanding into more advanced projects of their own including design optimization and cutting models on a laser machine. Basic knowledge of Rhino is required.
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and export the geometry out to VVVV to render it LIVE! RawRRRR. In this case, a digital audio workstation Ableton Live, a leading industrial standard in contemporary music production.
the good news is that VVVV and ableton live lite is both free.
https://www.ableton.com/en/products/live-lite/
i am not trying to use ipad as a controller for grasshoppper. I wanted to work with a timeline (similar to MAYA or Ableton or any other DAW(digital audio workstation)) inside grasshopper in an intuitive way. Currently there is no way of SEQUENCING your definition the way you want to see that i know of.
no more combersome export import workflows... i dont need hyperrealistic renderings most of the time. so much time invested in googling the right way to import, export ... mesh settings...this workflow works for some, for some not ...that workflow works if ... and still you cannot render it live nor change sequence of instruction WHILE THE VIDEO is played. and I think no one wants to present rhinoceros viewport. BUT vvvv veiwport is different. it is used for VJing and many custom audio visual installation for events, done professionally. you can see an example of how sound and visuals come together from this post, using only VVVV and ableton. http://vvvv.org/documentation/meso-amstel-pulse
I propose a NEW method. make a definition, wire it to ableton, draw in some midi notes, and see it thru VVVV LIVE while you sequence the animation the WAY YOU WANT TO BE SEEN DURING YOUR PRESENTATION FROM THE BEGINNING, make a whole set of sequences in ableton, go back change some notes in ableton and the whole sequence will change RIGHT INFRONT of you. yes, you can just add some sound anywhere in the process. or take the sound waves (sqaure, saw, whateve) or take the audio and influence geometric parameters using custom patches via vvvv. I cannot even begin to tell you how sophisticated digital audio sound design technology got last ten year.. this is just one example which isn't even that advanced in todays standard in sound design ( and the famous producers would say its not about the tools at all.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwz32bEgV8o
I just want to point out that grasshopper shares the same interface with VVVV (1998) and maxforlive, a plug in inside ableton. audio mulch is yet another one that shares this interface of plugging components to each other and allows users to create their own sound instruments. vvvv is built based on vb, i believe.
so current wish list is ...
1) grasshopper recieves a sequence of commands from ableton DONE
thanks to sebastian's OSCglue vvvv patch and this one http://vvvv.org/contribution/vvvv-and-grasshopper-demo-with-ghowl-udp
after this is done, its a matter of trimming and splitting the incoming string.
2) translate numeric oscillation from ableton to change GH values
video below shows what the controll interface of both values (numbers) and the midi notes look like.
https://vimeo.com/19743303
3) midi note in = toggle GH component (this one could be tricky)
for this... i am thinking it would be great if ...it is possible to make "midi learn" function in grasshopper where one can DROP IN A COMPONENT LIKE GALAPAGOS OR TIMER and assign the component to a signal in, in this case a midi note. there are total 128 midi notes (http://www.midimountain.com/midi/midi_note_numbers.html) and this is only for one channel. there are infinite channels in ableton. I usually use 16.
I have already figured out a way to send string into grasshopper from ableton live. but problem is, how for grasshopper to listen, not just take it in, and interpret midi and cc value changes ( usually runs from 0 to 128) and perform certain actions.
Basically what I am trying to achieve is this : some time passes then a parameter is set to change from value 0 to 50, for example. then some time passes again, then another parameter becomes "previewed", then baked. I have seen some examples of hoopsnake but I couldn't tell that you can really control the values in a clear x and y graph where x is time and y is the value. but this woud be considered a basic feature of modulation and automation in music production. NVM, its been DONE by Mr Heumann. https://vimeo.com/39730831
4) send points, lines, surfaces and meshes back out to VVVV
5) render it using VVVV and play with enormous collection of components in VVVV..its been around since 1998 for the sake of awesomeness.
this kind of a digital operation-hardware connection is usually whats done in digital music production solutions. I did look into midi controller - grasshopper work, and I know its been done, but that has obvious limitations of not being precise. and it only takes 0 o 128. I am thinking that midi can be useful for this because then I can program very precise and complex sequence with ease from music production software like ableton live.
This is an ongoing design research for a performative exhibition due in Bochum, Germany, this January. I will post definition if I get somewhere. A good place to start for me is the nesting sliders by Monique . http://www.grasshopper3d.com/forum/topics/nesting-sliders
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This creates the texture (on the table) below:
Is it possible for me to use a multi-modifier material like this in Honeybee ?
Thanks,
Sarith
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The problem is that using the index, adding a activies, the next activies change the index and then the link is wrong.
example: I need to connect to hotel function with house function, therefore i have 0 and 4 index in my panel.. So i have to extract the index linked to the alphabetical value to be able to draw lines between the points associated to the names of activities. Now if i add a new string between the values, the house activity hasn't the original index 4 but the new index 5. So the link will be not created between hotel and house but hotel e new activity in the index 4.
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The first is that XML requires that there be one root tag, where GH does not necessarily require their be one trunk to build its tree. In more GH specific terms, any XML document would always require that a path be {0;....} and there could never be a path like {1;...} or {13;....}. The fact that GH rarely does this is inconsequential, because its possible, so therefore has to be dealt with somehow. The first option is to simply have the component throw an error and not write the XML. That's fine, but in order to use the data you'd have to start remapping or splitting out your tree... not fun. The second option would be to wrap the data in a root tag so that the XML requirements are met, however this is manipulating the data that you're saving which I don't like. The third option, would be to write each root trunk out into separate files. The easiest option is 2, but I don't like modifying the data, although it would be possible to put attribute on that root tag to discard it if it was later read back into GH.
The second issue is that in order to write comprehensible XML, you'd need to specify the element names along with the values, which has the potential to be very cumbersome. In your case, you have all your tag names there and are just looking to modify the data that was in those tags, but this is definitely the best case scenario. If the ability is there to write xml, then that means it can come from anywhere in GH, not just from a previously parsed xml doc. Inevitably, assuming one would go through the hassle of creating names for all their xml elements, invariably there would be an path that would be missed, so what would you do as the name for that element? Throw an error? write out something else based on the path? Taking this to the extreme, would it be possible for someone just to supply data with no element names whatsoever?
In thinking about that last question, it would be nice if the GH path could be used for writing out the element names, but unfortunately both curly brackets and semicolons are invalid in element names (ie so <{0;1;0;5}>SomeData</{0;1;0;5}> is invalid because of the {,}, and ; characters. Element names also can't start with a number). So in order to write out an actual GH path, it would need to be transformed in some manner so that the previous example might look something like this <GhPath_0-1-0-5>SomeData</GhPath_0-1-0-5>
There are a bunch of other potential issues as well that would likely leave writing xml from GH in somewhat limited state. Some of those include enforcing/validating schema and supporting for other xml features(such as CData).
Ultimately, when I first wrote the xml parser I wasn't sure what people's needs were going to be in regards to using XML in GH. Based on the two main issues I outlined above, I chose to leave writing xml out for the time being. Its not that it can't be done (far from it actually), some decisions just have to be made pertaining to those issues. It does seam like it would be something useful, so I'll begin to look into adding it, and if you've got some other suggestions or preferences about which solution would be better, then sound off.
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One thing I should note, all of my comments above pertain to saving xml. Once you've parsed an xml file, its no longer xml, its just regular data with GH which can be manipulated however you prefer. It would be entirely possible to to use GH's tree manipulation and list tools to move chunks of xml around, remap xml, etc.…
is also takes place in own system. However, this action can be also carried out successfully by a foreign reference, if this considers the focused system as own. Hence, these two criteria are considered in my reflexions, to make your criticism handier for me.
First the question must be put up, how is it in your case? Of friendly manner you answer this question perpetually with the statement that you are not a partial of the system of the architecture.
Furthermore the question would be appropriate, whether an external reference (eg CAD) determined architecture. This can be answered with no, because determining and influencing are different things.
Because you stress now your criticism as a foreign criticism, within the architecture the assuption must be put up, that this criticism is not unusual new on the one hand (because this condition were also in other times like that, and presumably also always so remain) and further more a lack of goodwill in your criticism comes to light, which perhaps distinguishes an external reference.
Based on your critique, it would be also desirable in the system of the architecture if the academic rules become satisfyingly followed, even if this is no guarantor for good academic works. Nevertheless, there is an aspect which at least tolerates the evident lack in the Interdiziplinarität of the architecture. This is the classical and still valid determination of the architecture, presumably regulates not only the actions of the architects, but also those who want to become it.
Many who stand in your criticism (the students, as well as the teachers, ... ), live in the awareness that architecture is a profession that combines as many areas around the topic of Building, and the architect is even only one dilettante among the external specialists. In this determination dilettantism is revalued rather positively, because this state the architects enables to assess the facets of a complicated building project better and to form thereby the whole result positively. To be a good architect, you should have circumspect specialists around yourself. And exactly this knows the system of the architecture, because "THE ARCHITECT" helps himself with the logic of other systems (to repair on the one hand his own deficits), and to create an artificial complexity, which ultimately aims to be the complexity of human beeing.
Here "THE ARCHITECTS" becomes a quality-spoken, which currently seems the external reference (CAD, BIM) would like to take claim for themselves.
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If would not thought about it, this might be helpful:http://www.amazon.com/The-Alphabet-Algorithm-Writing-Architecture/dp/0262515806/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376920450&sr=8-1&keywords=mario+carpo"Finally, I’d like to restate my criticisms in general terms. If we are serious about moving architecture and urbanism away from purely artistic considerations and into a more rational arena, there has never been a better time than now. All of us have access to immense computational power which can be applied to problems that have been —until quite recently— intractable. But of course the garbage-in-garbage-out adage holds true; computation can be used to generate large amounts of complexity, but complexity does not equal worth. The only time when it makes sense to invoke computation in the design process is when there is some relevant data that needs to be computed" (David Rutton)I want to make it short, and just ask a few questions, and hope that the following questions are relevant also for you, and not be considered outside your system. i think that the weighting to such questions seem to be more valuable, not for the architects.1. What is wrong from a pure artistic intention?2. What is any sense in purely architectural discourse?3. strictly looked, can be determined sense generally in a purely architectural discourse?4. What is purely architectural discourse?5. What is Funktionalismus or Rationalismus without philosophical support? 6. Would not be the pure functional fulfilment empty ? 7. Would be not a critical position on the promise of purely rational algorithms applied?…
hat aren’t completely there. BIM will have to continue to evolve some more if their supporters want to get to realize the promise that still is. I can’t say much about PLM, but I would say that both BIM and PLM should be considered in future developments of GH and Rhino. David has said several times that some GH limitations regarding geometry and data structures (central to interoperability) are actually Rhino limitations. So, I wouldn’t put so much pressure on David for this, or at least I would distribute the pressure also on the core Rhino development team.
Talking about Rhino vs. GH geometry, there is one (1) wish I have: support for extrusion geometry. GH already inputs extrusion elements from Rhino, but they are converted to breps. Is not a bad thing per se. The problem is when you need to bake several breps that make the Rhino file to weight several hundred MB. When these breps are actually prismatic, extrusion-like solids, is a shame that they aren’t stored as Rhino V5’s extrusion geometry in a file of just a couple of MB (I overcame this once with an inelegant RhinoScript that wasn’t good for other people). This was one of RhinoBIM’s main arguments. We can develop a structural model made of I-beams in GH using the Extrude components. We should be able to bake them as extrusions. That would also work for urban models with thousands of prismatic massing buildings (e.g. extruded footprints). Even GH’s boxes are baked as breps! Baking boxes as extrusions could be practical for voxelated or Minecraft-like models.
(2) Collaborative network support. Maybe with worksession handling, or something that aloud project team members to work on a single definition or in external references or something alike. I know there is another Rhino limitation on this, but maybe clusters are already going in that direction?
And maybe on the plug-ins domain:
(3) Remote control panel that could be really “remote”, like from other computer or device. There is an old Android App for that, but is not only a matter of updating. I mean, it would be great to control a slider with the accelerometer of an Android phone, but to have that on an iPhone will require another development team. If GH could support networks, a remote counterpart of a RCP plug-in could be developed as a cross-platform web app. I don’t know if you can access accelerometer functionality through HTML5 already, but for now, asking a client (or an spectator or any stakeholder for that matter) to control your sliders from gestures of his/her own phone would be awesome (maybe Firefly will fill that hole?).
(4) GIS support. GH already imports .shp files. Meerkat can even access the database, but what about writing to shapefiles or generating our own with databases processed/generated in GH?
(5) SketchUp support. Not only starchitects and corporations are using GH in the AEC. There are a lot of small firms, freelancers and students interested. Most of them use SketchUp for 3D modeling (not CATIA, neither Revit). Yes, you can import/export .skp from Rhino, but if GH could support nested block at bake time (also mentioned by others), it could write .skp files with complex relations of blocks (that are called components in SketchUp) and nested groups, going beyond what Rhino can export.
(6) Read/Write other formats. There are some challenges with proprietary formats that are not completely supported by Rhino, but they’re still a lot of open formats that are relevant to the fields of GH users, like stl and ply for 3D-printing. It could be nice to write mesh colors to a ply for 3D-printing a colored prototype based on GH colors. There are others, like IGES, STEP, COLLADA, etc. and 2D, like svg, odg and pdf. Some of them could offer special formatting options like custom data that the format supports but nobody uses just because is impractical to access this from direct modeling environments (but not from visual programming).
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ack to .ghx?
This is in relation to a discussion I've been having with David Rutten & Scott Davidson about GH consuming memory in a relatively large GH definition (~. I think what I've learned from this is that one should limit the size of the GH file, or put some incremental stops in the definition to limit the length of calculations that it runs at once. Is this a valid conclusion?
The GH file we're talking about is 7Mb & the Rhino file is about 120Mb, but when working w/ the GH def. I try to only keep about 2 curves turned on.
Here's a summary of the discussion:
Hi Mike,thanks for sending it over. I've been fiddling with the file for about 10 minutes and it climbed from 1.7 GB to 1.9GB, but then I've been switching previews on which means more meshes get calculated so you'd expect a higher memory consumption. It is possible we're leaking memory, but if you're working for hours on end, memory fragmentation might also explain part of the increase. Basically, memory gets fragmented just like disks get fragmented after prolonged use, difference is that memory cannot be defragmented unless you restart the application and allow it to start with a clean slate. I'll try and find any leaks we may have missed in the past.Goodwill,David
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On 09/03/2011 06:19, Mike Calvino wrote:
Thanks very much David for the quick response. I've attached the files zipped. I can't figure out what's doing it. After working in the file for awhile, the memory usage in the Windows Task Manager climbs . . . it's gotten to 1.57+Gb before I exited GH & Rhino5Wip & let it dissipate, then restart & work for awhile before it does it again. It probably takes like 4 or 5 hours before it gets that high. That's the highest it's gotten, & that only happened while I was working in a Rhino file that had all of the elements baked into it - turned off at least, but it still climbed to 1.57+Gb. It seems to climbs when you work in the file & move around in both the GH def. & the Rhino file. Like turn on a few of the Extr components at the right end of the "StandareRibExtuder" groups, you can watch the MemUsage go up, but when you turn them off, it does not go down. - goes up fast at this point. Maybe I need to figure out how to do the definition with fewer components, I'm sure that's part of it, but I must confess, I think I'm still early on in the learning curve.I really hope that this is not operator error on my part & I do apologize up front if it is. I have done a disk cleanup, I have tried excluding .3dm & .ghx files from my NOD32 antivirus, no change. I hope you can find something.Let me know if you have any trouble with the files.See if you find anything & please let me know . . . thanks!Cheers! --Mike CalvinoCalvino Architecture Studio, inc.www.calvinodesign.com
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been covered since 0051 (correct me if I'm wrong):
1) Shoot for the moon first -- "Control Panel Mode" which allows for advanced interface design. See Max/MSP for example of modal function. I spent a lot of time laying out control panels so they are nice for clients and team members to look at. I spend a lot of time disabling wire display and dragging sliders and panels and graphs around into nice little clusters. Could be something as simple as a mode that disables the view of all component handles, cleans up graph objects, sliders, etc. I know the Remote Control Panel has been requested over and over again since it disappeared, but honestly it wouldn't be much use to me unless it was a full blown customizable interface. In the meantime I'll stick to my own "Canvas Control Panel" methods. (See below...)
2) More control over graph objects. Right now the bar graph for instance automatically sets the lowest and highest value displayed. Would be nice to be able to set extents manually so that you can compare apples to apples on two different lists that have different extents. Also would love to force the bar graph to show all values along x axis, not just first and last. Same goes for showing the numbers of instances for each value. Now it only shows instance numbers in oddball cases. Would like to force them to show for statistical purposes. Love percentages, but usually I also want accurate tallies. I tend to use a member index sets to generate my own lists.
3) Color input for Vectors -- there are fakey fake workarounds but none that are as versatile as simply having a color input.
4) COLOR INPUT FOR TEXT TAGS -- sorry to yell... this one really frustrates me. I often build interactive feedback systems that involve a lot of different types of data, and it is difficult to convey that input when all text is red (or green when selected).
5) Ability to justify text tags using paragraph controls -- currently default is left-justified. Would like to be able to center text horizontally and vertically, among other things.
6) Ability for text tags to handle multi-line text. Not sure the best way to implement this, but often I find myself wanting to attach 3 items of information to a particular object, and I have to string it all together in one line. Would be great if I could insert a "^M" character that stands for carriage return and have that display as multiline text (used in conjunction with above justification controls).
7) More control over Text panels. Thank you for including justification options... but sadly now it begs the question for margin and header control. Text slammed up against the left edge is pretty unsightly. Moreover, if you have labeled a text box, the drop shadow from the title bar tends to overshadow the first line of text if you have Path display turned off. Would like to add some header space to fix the problem and create a cleaner look.
8) Easier access to text font size. Buried in a Special Font... menu. I want to be able to up up down down (left right left right select start) if you know what I mean.
I guess that's it for now... just the things on the top of my head in this category. Looking forward to installing the new release, have to wait until this major project is over though.
Cheers,
Marc
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First of all, the invalid Rhino license as seen previously has been removed, and the correct educational license we have is re-installed for this test.
The re-appearing issue is that RAM usage spikes once GH is open in Rhino. It seems that this happens when a series of large GH project files incrementally saved are stored in the same folder. Moving those previously saved large project files to a new folder seems to be able to solve this issue.
The images below explains the issue and the hypothetical solution:
1. A series of GH files were incrementally saved in the same folder previously, and the last few GH files are the ones opened most recently:
2. The total RAM usage is at the normal 5GB level once Rhino is open:
3. Once GH is open, the RAM usage spikes, and the it becomes very slow to maneuver the GH window before even opening any one of those GH files:
4. Once GH and Rhino are closed, the RAM usage drop to the previous level before the GH interface was open:
5. Now, all the incrementally saved GH files are moved to a new folder "wip" except the last one, i.e. for the last GH file, there is no other previous GH files in the same location:
6. Now, if we open GH, there is no sudden increase of RAM usage, and the 3x3 thumbnails on the GH canvas shows "missing" as those previously opened GH files are no longer in the same location as they were before:
I understand that David mentioned that the thumbnails for previously opened GH files on GH canvas will not take much RAM. Nevertheless, I'm still not sure what is causing the increase of RAM usage and slowdown of GH interface. Relocating the large project files previously saved in the same folder as the current GH file seems to be able to make this issue go away, for unknown reason ...
Appreciate if anybody experiencing similar issue can help to check if this solution works.
Thank you.
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