ing; 95% of all the available tutorial material seems to be from an earlier build, like .7 or something.
Hexagonal Grid is a lot different with it's inputs and outputs changed a lot, and yeah I know Vector multiplication is now assumed by the ordinary one use serves all multiplication function but still generally this issue is the only confusing thing in the entire program which is otherwise quite clear. And it's not just these functions...there's quite a few I'm bumping up against and it's really eating into my study time to have to search and search for the substitute which is often the exact same function with a new name. I know there has to be change to have progress but...
I've tried to think my way around this and after a lot of work on various tutorials I've eventually forced things to work but I really wish things hadn't been thrown out with such brutal haste.
Thus I was wondering; is there an earlier build available that would allow me to go back to say, the Grasshopper Generative Modeling For Rhino tutorials? Link?
Sorry to bother you with this but it would really hasten the learning process..…
Added by Fabrizio123 at 11:02pm on January 24, 2011
y differences that are inconsequential to me, choosing one or the other appears to simply be a matter of a choice in programming style.
I've been active on this forum for a couple of months now. From the cross section of my interests, about 95% of the scripts I've encountered are written in VB rather than C#. My natural choice would be to learn C# because I took some C++ in college and I like the refined style. But I'm a little concerned about learning C# with respect to GH because most of the stuff here is in VB.
Is it just coincidence that Grasshopper users happen to come from other arenas that use VB more? Or, am I missing something that I should know before learning how to script for GH?
Also, once you learn one language well, is it fairly simple to read into and do minor hacking or tweaking in the other, since they are based on the same libraries?
My questions are fairly straight forward. I'm trusting that people in the GH community can keep their cool more than on most forums when a "this versus that" question is asked. Thanks for your understanding.…
Added by Gabe Krause at 12:22pm on February 4, 2011
, and made the below definition to try it out. (lots of components to draw a line, but I'm just trying to understand the equation)
I had been searching for advice on some geometry topics worth exploring for a class, and now I'm in the class and the teacher wants me to start by learning about splines in general (not nurbs). I just spent the day learning linear spline interpolation, then quadratic, then cubic. I didn't try working them by hand yet, but I'm getting the concepts. It seems cubic is the lowest degree where you can get C2 continuity, which makes it smooth. I read over parameterization and how that simplifies the number of equations. I read about space curves, and then the differences between Hermite, Catmull-Rom, and Cardinal spline, but then got tired and had a cocktail.
So I guess I'm looking for any direction or advice on how to understand parametric curves in 3d space, and how they can be defined (splines or otherwise). Thanks!!!
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creating the structural frame, finding the endpoints, linking these endpoints with curves and afterwards lofting the surfaces between the curves.
The results were quite nice, however, the procedure is very time consuming and inefficient. There is just too much copy-pasting involved.
(see attached file: "Old Attempts.zip" )
Mesh relaxation:
I have later on used Daniel Piker's tutorials on Mesh Relaxation and realized that this might be the way to go.
The link to these online tutorials on wewanttolearn.net is:
https://wewanttolearn.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/mesh-relaxation-kangaroo-tutorial/
His tutorials, however, only deal with mesh boxes which are ideal cubes. He then joins them together in various directions, but it is under 90 degrees angle.
( see attached file: "Daniel Pikers Examples" )
What I would like to achieve:
I want my bridges to go in all directions and angles, not just under 90 degree angle.
Ideally I would like to make a square (polygon) follow a curve (which moves in all axis) at certain number of division points. I would then loft these squares into a mesh and use that shape as a mesh box. I would later use this mesh box and relax it the same way as Daniel Piker used the cubes in his tutorial. The anchor points are only the vertices of the squares which create the lofted mesh box.
( see attached file: "New Attempts" )
As you can see below this procedure works even if the curve is moving in all directions not only along xy axis. There are, however, many problems connected to it.
The problem:
Despite all the effort I cannot seem to come up with a design where I would be able to draw a random curve which would be the guideline for my mesh box and then apply this box to one definition in order to relax the mesh and create the shape that I want. Without this I am again forced into a lot of copy pasting as the final mesh box is made out of several sections.
Also is there any way I could make the final resulting mesh a bit smoother? Increasing the number of mesh faces is probably the only way, right?
Thank you guys so much for any potential help.
All best,
Luka
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whole design intent, but this is what Inventor is good at. The way it packages bits of 'scripted' components into 'little models' that can be stored and re-assembled is central to MCAD working.
The Inventor model shown is almost 5 years old. We don't model like that any more, however it does offer a good idea of general MCAD modeling approaches.
iParts is useful in certain situations, it could've been useful in the above model, its usefulness is often in function of the quantity of variants/configurations.
So much is scripted in GH, maybe it should also be possible to script/define/constrain/assist the placement/gluing of the results?
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Starting point: I think we are talking across purposes. AFAIK, the solving sequence of GH's scripted components is fixed. It won't do circular dependencies... without a fight. The inter-component dependencies not 'managed' like constraints solvers do for MCAD apps.
Components and assemblies are individual files in MCAD.
Placement of these within assemblies in MCAD is a product of matrix transforms and persistent constraints. There is no bi-directional link, the link is unidirectional (downflow only), because of the use of proxies.
Consequently, scripting the placement of components is irrelevant in GH, unless you decide that each component needs to be contained in its own separate file.
This also brings up the point that generating components and assemblies in MCAD is not as straightforward. In iParts and iAssemblies, each configuration needs to be generated as a "child" (the individual file needs to be created for each child) before those children can be used elsewhere.
You notice the dilemma, if you generate 100 parts, and then you realize you only need 20, you've created 80 extra parts which you have no need for, thus generating wasteful data that may cause file management issues later on.
GH remains in a transient world, and when you decide to bake geometry (if you need to at all), you can do that in one Rhino file, and save it as the state of the design at that given moment. Very convenient for design, though unacceptable for most non-digital manufacturing methods, which greatly limits Rhino's use for manufacturing unless you combine it with an MCAD app.
One of the reasons why the distributed file approach makes perfect sense in MCAD, is that in industry you deal with a finite set of objects. Generative tools are usually not a requirement. Most mechanical engineers, product engineers and machinists would never have any use for that.
The other thing that MCAD apps like Inventor have, is the 'structured' interface that offers up all that setting out information like the coordinate systems, work planes, parameters etc in a concise fashion in the 'history tree'. This will translate into user speed. GH's canvas is a bit more freeform. I suppose the info is all there and linked, so a bit of re-jigging is easy. Also, see how T-Flex can even embed sliders and other parameter input boxes into the model itself. Pretty handy/fast to understand, which also means more speed.
True. As long as you keep the browser pane/specification tree organized and easy to query.
:)
Would love to understand what you did by sketching.
I'll start by showing what was done years ago in the Inventor model, and then share with you what I did in GH, but in another post.
Let's use one of the beams as an example:
We can isolate this component for clarity.
Notice that I've highlighted the sectional sketch with dimensions, and the point of reference, which is in relation to the CL of the column which the beam bears on. The orientation and location of the beam is already set by underlying geometry.
Here's a perspective view of the same:
The extent of the beam was also driven by reference geometry, 2 planes offset from the beam's XY plane, driven by parameters from another underlying file which serves as a parameter container:
Reference axes and points are present for all other components, here are some of them:
It starts getting cluttered if you see the reference planes as well:
Is I mentioned earlier, over time we've found better ways to define and associate geometry, parameters, manage design change, improving the efficiency of parametric models. But this model is a fair representation of a basic modeling approach, and since an Inventor-GH comparison is like comparing apples and oranges anyways, this model can be used to understand the differences and similarities, for those interested.
I haven't even gotten to your latest post yet, I will eventually.…
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