4 explode the text
5 select the exploded text, which are now curves, and the border from step 2 and use the planarsrf command again
6 make your surface using the two curves at top and bottom and a section. Use the sweep2 command
7 select your negative text surfaces and use the flowalongsrf command
maybe the scale of the text can be edited by the size of the surface or of the text but I bet you can figure that out! good luck!…
should follow the instruction which mostapha has wrote in https://github.com/mostaphaRoudsari/ladybug/blob/master/resources/I...
Instructions for Installing Ladybug + Honeybee: (Follow steps 1-6 for basic functionality and 1-11 for full functionality) 0. If you have an old version of LB+HB, download the file here (https://app.box.com/s/ds96em9l6stxpcw8kgtf) and open it in Grasshopper to remove your old Ladybug and Honeybee version. 1. Make sure that you have a working copy of both Rhino and Grasshopper installed. 2. Open Rhino and type "Grasshopper" into the command line (without quotations). Wait for grasshopper to load. 3. Install GHPython by downloading the file at this link (http://www.food4rhino.com/project/ghpython?ufh) and drag the .gha file onto the Grasshopper canvas. 4. Select and drag all of the files in the "userObjects" folder (downloaded with this instructions file) onto your Grasshopper canvas. You should see Ladybug and Honeybee appear as tabs on the grasshopper tool bar. (If you are reading this instruction on github you can download them from http://www.food4rhino.com/project/ladybug-honeybee) 5. Download the files at this link (https://app.box.com/s/bh9sbpgajdtmmystv3n4), unzip them and copy the contents to both C:\ladybug and C:\Users\[yourUsername]\AppData\Roaming\Ladybug. 6. Restart Rhino and Grasshopper. You now have a fully-functioning Ladybug. For Honeybee, continue to the following: 7. Install Radiance to C:\Radiance by downloading it from this link (https://github.com/NREL/Radiance/releases/download/4.2.2/radiance-4...) and running the exe. 6. Install Daysim to C:\DAYSIM by downloading it at this link (http://daysim.ning.com/page/download) and running the exe. 8. Install Energy Plus 8.1 to C:\EnergyPlusV8-1-0 by going to the DOE website (http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/energyplus_downlo...), making an account, going to "download older versions of EnergyPlus, selecting 8.1 and running the exe. 9. Copy falsecolor2.exe (http://pyrat.googlecode.com/files/falsecolor2.exe) and evalglare.exe (http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/software/evalgla...) to C:\Radiance\bin 10. Download the OpenStudio Libraries (https://app.box.com/s/y2sx16k98g1lfd3r47zi) and unzip them to C:\ladybug\OpenStudio. 11. You now have a fully-working version of Ladybug + Honeybee. Get started visualizing weather data with these video tutorials (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLruLh1AdY-Sj_XGz3kzHUoWmpWDX...).
It works for me..
Agus…
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Things have been working swimmingly in many areas of the plugin, but one particular problem has been tough to solve. I have two components that are trying to read/write to the same memory at the same time, causing Rhino exceptions and crashes.
The conflicts appear to be happening between two components -- one is a "Layer Events Listener" that reports essentially what type of layer event just happened. The other is a "Set Layer Visibility" component that toggles the visibility of a list of layers.
The code:
public class LayerTools_LayerEventsListener : GH_Component { /// <summary> /// Initializes a new instance of the LayerTools_LayerListener class. /// </summary> public LayerTools_LayerEventsListener() : base("Layer Events Listener", "Layer Listener", "Get granular information about the layer events happening in the Rhino document.", "Squirrel", "Layer Tools") { }
/// <summary> /// Registers all the input parameters for this component. /// </summary> protected override void RegisterInputParams(GH_Component.GH_InputParamManager pManager) { pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Active", "A", "Set to true to listen to layer events in the Rhino document.", GH_ParamAccess.item, false); pManager.AddTextParameter("Exclusions", "E", "Provide a list of exclusions to stop reading specific events (Added, Deleted, Moved, Renamed, Locked, Visibility, Color, Active).", GH_ParamAccess.list); pManager[1].Optional = true; }
/// <summary> /// Registers all the output parameters for this component. /// </summary> protected override void RegisterOutputParams(GH_Component.GH_OutputParamManager pManager) { pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Initialized", "I", "Whether the listener changed from passive to active.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddTextParameter("Document Name", "doc", "Name of the Rhino document that is changing.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddTextParameter("Layer Path", "path", "Path of the modifed layer.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddIntegerParameter("Layer Index", "ID", "Index of the modified layer.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddIntegerParameter("Sort Index", "SID", "Sort index of the modified layer.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddTextParameter("Event Type", "T", "Type of the modification.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Added", "A", "If the layer has been added.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Deleted", "D", "If the layer has been deleted.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Moved", "M", "If the layer has been moved.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Renamed", "R", "If the layer has been renamed.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Locked", "L", "If the layer locked setting has changed.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Visibility", "V", "If the layer's visibility has changed.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Color", "C", "If the layer's color has changed.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Active", "Act", "If the active layer has changed.", GH_ParamAccess.item); }
/// <summary> /// This is the method that actually does the work. /// </summary> /// <param name="DA">The DA object is used to retrieve from inputs and store in outputs.</param> protected override void SolveInstance(IGH_DataAccess DA) { bool active = false; List<string> exclusions = new List<string>();
DA.GetData(0, ref active); DA.GetDataList(1, exclusions);
RhinoDoc thisDoc = null;
bool initialize = false;
string dName = null; string activePath = null; int layerIndex = -1; int sortIndex = -1; string eventType = null; bool added = false; bool deleted = false; bool moved = false; bool renamed = false; bool locked = false; bool visibility = false; bool color = false; bool current = false;
if (active) { thisDoc = RhinoDoc.ActiveDoc;
initialize = (!previouslyActive) ? true : false;
RhinoDoc.LayerTableEvent -= RhinoDoc_LayerTableEvent; RhinoDoc.LayerTableEvent += RhinoDoc_LayerTableEvent; previouslyActive = true;
} else {
RhinoDoc.LayerTableEvent -= RhinoDoc_LayerTableEvent; previouslyActive = false; }
if (ev != null) { dName = ev.Document.Name; layerIndex = ev.LayerIndex; eventType = ev.EventType.ToString();
if (!exclusions.Contains("Active")) { if (ev.EventType.ToString() == "Current") { // active layer has just been changed current = true; }
}
if (!exclusions.Contains("Moved")) { if (ev.EventType.ToString() == "Sorted") { // active layer has just been changed moved = true; }
}
if (!exclusions.Contains("Added")) { if (ev.EventType.ToString() == "Added") { // layer has just been added activePath = ev.NewState.FullPath; added = true; }
}
if (!exclusions.Contains("Active")) { if (ev.EventType.ToString() == "Deleted") { // layer has just been added
deleted = true; } }
if (ev.EventType.ToString() == "Modified") { // layer has been modified activePath = ev.NewState.FullPath;
//skip sortindex eventType = ev.EventType.ToString();
if (ev.OldState != null && ev.NewState != null) { if (!exclusions.Contains("Locked")) { if (ev.OldState.IsLocked != ev.NewState.IsLocked) locked = true;
} if (!exclusions.Contains("Visibility")) { if (ev.OldState.IsVisible != ev.NewState.IsVisible) visibility = true; }
if (!exclusions.Contains("Moved")) { if (ev.OldState.ParentLayerId != ev.NewState.ParentLayerId) moved = true; }
//if (ev.OldState.SortIndex != ev.NewState.SortIndex) moved = true; if (!exclusions.Contains("Renamed")) { if (ev.OldState.Name != ev.NewState.Name) renamed = true; }
if (!exclusions.Contains("Color")) { if (ev.OldState.Color != ev.NewState.Color) color = true; } }
} }
DA.SetData(0, initialize); DA.SetData(1, dName); DA.SetData(2, activePath); DA.SetData(3, layerIndex); DA.SetData(4, sortIndex); DA.SetData(5, eventType); DA.SetData(6, added); DA.SetData(7, deleted); DA.SetData(8, moved); DA.SetData(9, renamed); DA.SetData(10, locked); DA.SetData(11, visibility); DA.SetData(12, color); DA.SetData(13, current);
}
static bool previouslyActive = false; Rhino.DocObjects.Tables.LayerTableEventArgs ev = null;
void RhinoDoc_LayerTableEvent(object sender, Rhino.DocObjects.Tables.LayerTableEventArgs e) { ev = e;this.ExpireSolution(true); }
And for the layer visibility component:
public LayerTools_SetActiveLayer() : base("Set Active Layer", "SetActiveLayer", "Set the active layer in the Rhino document.", "Squirrel", "Layer Tools") { }
/// <summary> /// Registers all the input parameters for this component. /// </summary> protected override void RegisterInputParams(GH_Component.GH_InputParamManager pManager) { pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Active", "A", "Set to true to change the active layer in Rhino.", GH_ParamAccess.item, false); pManager.AddTextParameter("Path", "P", "Full path of the layer to be activated.", GH_ParamAccess.item); }
/// <summary> /// Registers all the output parameters for this component. /// </summary> protected override void RegisterOutputParams(GH_Component.GH_OutputParamManager pManager) { pManager.AddIntegerParameter("Layer ID", "ID", "Index of layer that has been activated.", GH_ParamAccess.item); pManager.AddBooleanParameter("Status", "St", "True when the layer has been activated.", GH_ParamAccess.item); }
/// <summary> /// This is the method that actually does the work. /// </summary> /// <param name="DA">The DA object is used to retrieve from inputs and store in outputs.</param> protected override void SolveInstance(IGH_DataAccess DA) { bool active = false; string path = "";
if (!DA.GetData(0, ref active)) return; if (!DA.GetData(1, ref path)) return;
int layer_index = -1; bool status = false;
if (path != null) {
Rhino.RhinoDoc doc = Rhino.RhinoDoc.ActiveDoc; Rhino.DocObjects.Tables.LayerTable layertable = doc.Layers;
layer_index = layertable.FindByFullPath(path, true);
if (layer_index > 0) { // if exists RhinoDoc.ActiveDoc.Layers.SetCurrentLayerIndex(layer_index, true); status = true; } }
DA.SetData(0, layer_index); DA.SetData(1, status); }
Now originally I was getting exceptions when changing multiple layers' visibility properties, which would cause the Event Listener to fire and try to read the Visibility property before the memory has been released by the Set Layer Visibility component. That led me to add an "Exceptions" input, that would allow me to disable the reading of Visibility events at the source in the Layer Events listener. That helped me manage about 95% of the crashes I was getting, but I still get strange crashes in other event properties, even when that property shouldn't be affected. For instance, I am getting a crash here on the Name property in the event from the delegate function, even though I am only changing Visibility at any one time:
I have a few ideas but they all seem pretty hacky. One is to try to set a flag that is readable by any component in the plugin -- so that the event listener can see if a "set" component is currently running and abort before causing an exception. The other is creating a delay in the event listener, somthing like 200ms, to allow any set components to finish what they are doing before reading the event. Neither seems super ideal.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Marc
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ou will see all of the available components on a ribbon at once so there is no need to keep clicking drop down menus.
It's all about discoverability with GH. What if you're a beginner and don't know about the Create Facility (dbl click canvas) how can you find Extr?
Even if you hover over every component or use the drop down lists you will not see the name Extr appear anywhere.
Sure it makes sense that Extr is short for Extrude but it's also the Nick Name of Extrude to Point component
So you can easily miss the fact that one has a Distance Input verses a Point Input.
I think I made the move to Icons around about the move from version 0.5 to 0.6, possibly before. I initially thought that I would go back to text because I loved the mono chromatic look of the text but I soon realised that Icons were the way forward. The greatest benefit is speed. You don't need to digest and decipher every component (which is written 90 degrees to the norm).
I'm not saying you should move to Icons forthwith but at least consider that once you have a better knowledge and understanding of GH, Icons will set you free.
My top ten tips that I would highly recommend to anyone wanting to better themselves with GH.
1) Turn on Draw Icons
2) Turn on Draw Fancy Wires
3) Turn on Obscure Components
4) Use the Create Facility like a Command Line eg "Slider=-1<0.75<2" or "Shiftlist=-1"
5) Use Component Aliases to customise your use of the Create Facility eg giving the Point XYZ component an alias of XYZ will bring it up as the first option on the Create Facility as opposed to the other possibilities.
6) Try to answer other people's questions even if it's not relevant to your own area. By looking into solving a problem outside of your comfort zone and then posting your results it is very rewarding but it also lets you see the other approaches that get posted in a new light.
7) Take the time to understand Data/Path structures.
8) Buy a second monitor - There is nothing that can compare to real estate when working in Grasshopper.
9) Read Rajaa Issa's Essential Mathematics
10) Pick a panel in a tab on the ribbon and get to know every component inside and out and then move on. Start with the Sets Tab > List Panel…
(Boundary Representation]. Thus a Brep is 2 things: the underlying "guide" surface and "regions" that do the massacre.
2. As delivered and if you chose the equivalent boolean some Delaunay faces are removed from the mesh IF their center (the projection in an automated made "min" plane) is contained (is inside) to a giiven hole. Now ... the anchors ARE not the white points ... they are their projections on the terrain (the red ones). Thus proper springs "pull" the white points towards the red ones.
3. Max span is a term used in that ugly part of life (the real-life) and indeed refers to some distance between mount points. For instance the Golden Gate has a max span of 1280 m. Span means money and big span ... er ... means lot's of money (even on trusses, considerably less so in tensile membranes).
5. Coding is like riding properly a proper Ducati (avoid the 999 at any cost): easy provided that you can ride it. Lethal in any other situation. But the good (or bad) news are that girls don't ride that type of bikes.
6. This makes me entirely off-topic > Oops > anything that I do/think points directly or indirectly (in most of the threads in this Forum) towards real-life AEC thingies. I never (ever) think within an Academic/Theoretical framework. BTW: Avoid social networks > or say hello to Skynet (or lobotomy).
7. You are very kind.…
used of 180 being for the northern hemisphere and 0 for the southern hemisphere.For the optimal tilt, to my knowledge, they are mostly based on correcting location's latitude through a single formula.TOF component is more sophisticated. It essentially replicates the Solmetric's Annual Insolation Lookup tool.What it does is that it creates a grid of points. Each point represents the calculated annual insolation on the surface (PV module, SWH collector, facade, any kind of surface) for a single tilt and azimuth angle.Each point is then elevated according to the annual insolation values. The mesh is created from that grid of points. The portion of the mesh which is the highest, represents the optimal tilt and azimuth angles. So the higher your "precision_" input is, the more points in a mesh you'll have - thus the more precise final optimal tilt and azimuth will be.For the diffuse component of the annual incident solar radiation for each point the Perez 1990 modified model is used. Direct is from classical cosine law, and Ground reflected component from Liu and Jordan (1963).So TOF component calculates the optimal tilt and azimuth based on annual incident solar radiation, not AC energy....…
occur more than once in the same list, and different elements with identical values can occur more than once. Also, a list may contain lack of elements, referred to as "nulls".
Sets. Strictly speaking a Set is a mathematical construct which adheres to a strict collection of rules and limitations. Basically, a Set is the same as a List, with the exception that it cannot contain the same element more than once, or indeed two or more different elements with the same values. You see, in mathematics there is no difference between a value and an instance of that value, they are the same thing. In programming however it is possible to store the number 7 in more than one spot in the RAM. Grasshopper does not enforce this rule very strongly though, you can use a lot of Set components on lists that have multiple occurrences of the same value. The big difference between Lists and Sets in Grasshopper is that Sets are only defined for simple data types that have trivial equality comparisons. Basically: booleans, integers, numbers, complex numbers, strings, points, vectors, colours and intervals. Lists can contain all kinds of data.
Strings. Strings are text. There's nothing more to it. I don't know why early programmers chose to call them strings, but I suppose it's a better description of the memory representation of them. Strings are essentially sequences of individual characters.
Trees. Trees are the way all data is stored in Grasshopper. Even when you only have a single item, it will still be stored in a tree. A tree is a sorted collection of lists, where each list is identified by a path. A specific path can only occur once in a tree, when you merge two trees together, lists with identical paths are appended to each other. Trees are an attempt to losslessly represent not just the data itself, but also the history of that data. Imagine you have 4 curves {A,B,C,D} and you divide each into 3 points {X,Y,Z}. Then, for each of those points you create a new line segment {X',Y',Z'} and then divide each of those line segments again into 5 points each {K,L,M,N,O}. The way data is stored in trees, it should be possible to figure out whether a point M belongs to X' or to Z', and whether that X' or Z' came from A, B, C or D. This is why paths are often quite long after a while, because they encode a lot of history.
Paths. A Path is nothing more than a list of integers. It's denoted using curly brackets and semi-colons: {A;B;...;Z}. A Path should never be empty {} or have negative integers {0;-1}, but it is certainly possible to create a path like this and it probably won't even crash Grasshopper. Paths are 'grown' by components that (potentially) create more than one output value for a single input value. For example Divide Curve. It creates N points for every single input curve. In cases like this a new integer is appended to the end of the path.
In the next release the Path logic in Grasshopper is somewhat different. I fixed a number of obscure bugs (hopefully without introducing new fresh bugs) and special cased certain operations to somewhat reduce the speed at which paths grow. This may well break files that rely on a specific tree layout, but I hope the temporary sacrifice will be worth the long-term benefits.
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David Rutten
david@mcneel.com
Poprad, Slovakia…
Ladybug + Honeybee:
(Follow steps 0-4 for basic functionality and 0-9 for full functionality)
0. If you have an old version of LB+HB, download the file here (https://app.box.com/s/ds96em9l6stxpcw8kgtf)
and open it in Grasshopper to remove your old Ladybug and Honeybee version.
1. Make sure that you have a working copy of both Rhino and Grasshopper installed.
2. Open Rhino and type "Grasshopper" into the command line (without quotations). Wait for grasshopper to load.
3. Install GHPython 0.6.0.3 by downloading the file at this link (http://www.food4rhino.com/project/ghpython?ufh) and
drag the .gha file onto the Grasshopper canvas.
4. Select and drag all of the userObject files (downloaded with this instructions file) onto your Grasshopper canvas.
You should see Ladybug and Honeybee appear as tabs on the grasshopper tool bar.
(If you are reading this instruction on github you can download them from http://www.food4rhino.com/project/ladybug-honeybee)
5. Restart Rhino and Grasshopper. You now have a fully-functioning Ladybug. For Honeybee, continue to the following:
6. Install Radiance to C:\Radiance by downloading it from this link (https://github.com/NREL/Radiance/releases/download/4.2.2/radiance-4.2.2-win32.exe) and running the exe.
7. Install Daysim 4.0 for Windows to C:\DAYSIM by downloading it at this link (http://daysim.ning.com/page/download) and running the exe.
8. Install EnergyPlus 8.1 to C:\EnergyPlusV8-1-0 by going to the DOE website (http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/energyplus_download.cfm), making an account, going to "download older
versions of EnergyPlus, selecting 8.1 and running the exe.
9. Copy falsecolor2.exe (http://pyrat.googlecode.com/files/falsecolor2.exe) and evalglare.exe (http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/software/evalglare_windows.zip/at_download/file) to C:\Radiance\bin
10. You now have a fully-working version of Ladybug + Honeybee. Get started visualizing weather data with these video tutorials (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLruLh1AdY-Sj_XGz3kzHUoWmpWDXNep1O).
After I've done all the above I followed this video
https://vimeo.com/96155674
And everything works well.
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ng/702/30
EDIT: DK2 works, not with positional tracking yet (14/09/15)
Source is here:
https://github.com/provolot/RhinoRift
Steps:
1) Download these files (also attached below):
https://github.com/provolot/oculus-grasshopper/raw/master/oculus-grasshopper_v0.4.ghx
https://github.com/provolot/oculus-grasshopper/raw/master/OpenTrackRiftGrasshopperUDP.ini
https://github.com/provolot/oculus-grasshopper/raw/master/oculus-grasshopper-test_v0.1.3dm
2) Download OpenTrack - http://ananke.laggy.pk/opentrack/, and setup/install. Once installed, double-click to open.
3) In OpenTrack, load the 'OpenTrackRiftGrasshopperUDP.ini' profile. Click the 'Start' button and move your Rift around - make sure that it looks like the Yaw/Pitch/Roll data is being sent. TX/TY/TZ will all be 0, as Oculus doesn't have absolute positioning data.
4) In Rhino, open the test 3dm. You'll notice that there are two viewports - called 'LeftEye' and 'RightEye'. These have been placed to mimic where the screens should be for the Oculus Rift --- but only when Rhino is in fullscreen mode, with the command 'Fullscreen'. The placement needs to be tweaked, but should work.
If you want to use your own model, you can load your own .3dm file in Rhino, then you can right-click on the viewport name, and go to Viewport Layout > Read from File. If you then load my test file, Rhino should open my two viewports, sized correctly, onto your model.
The placement of these viewports need to be tweaked; if you find a better viewport layout, upload an empty Rhino file with your viewports, and we can share eye-layout 'templates'!
5) In Grasshopper, open the .ghx definition. Everything that is multiple-grouped is a value that can be changed. Two things here:
- IPD: Set this and convert it to the proper units for your model.
- Left/right viewport names. In this case, leave this as-is, since you're using my example file.
6) Turn on the Grasshopper Timer, if it isn't on already.
7) In the GH definition, toggle 'SyncEyes' to be True. Then, in the left viewport, try orbiting around with the mouse. The 'RightEye' viewport should move around as well, pretty much simultaneously.
8) In OpenTrack, click 'Start', then toggle 'ReadUDP' to be True. You should see the 'OpenTrackInfo' panel fill with data that's constantly changing.
9) Move around the landscape with your camera, and when you set on a starting view that's ideal, click the triangle of the Data Dam component to 'store' the data.
10) Finally, toggle 'OculusMove' to be true. If all works correctly, both viewports should move based on the Rift's movement.
Let me know if you have any problems!
Cheers,
Dan…
Added by Dan Taeyoung at 11:47pm on December 10, 2013
itects are at the spoke of a number of different specialties, and their work affects many different people. It's not like an architect is a painter, whose work may offend or upset the occasional viewer. As an architect you have a responsibility to produce quality work. How can anybody trust you with this responsibility if you're taking a purely artistic approach? What guarantees do you have that your clients money won't be spend on a poorly designed project if you can provide no rational for why your design is the way it is?
2. What is any sense in purely architectural discourse?
I don't get. Discourse is there to flesh out problems and agree on solutions. It might not always accomplish that, but what's the difference between talking about architecture as opposed to any other topic?
3. strictly looked, can be determined sense generally in a purely architectural discourse?
I'm sorry I don't understand.
4. What is purely architectural discourse?
I imagine it's having a discussion where you only talk about architecture?
5. What is Funktionalismus or Rationalismus without philosophical support?
Functionalism and Rationalism are ideologies. Some would even call them methodologies. They are inherently philosophical things as they are nothing more than a collection of ideas and views. As a society we've decided that a certain level of rationalism is a good thing. The Enlightenment continued this trend after the Dark Age hiatus and it quickly led to a large number of very tangible benefits for almost everyone.
I'm not arguing for or against Functionalism as an architectural style. I'm asking for a measure of rationalism in our academic process.
6. Would not be the pure functional fulfilment empty ?
Let's find out. In the meantime I'll settle for a little functionalism.
7. Would be not a critical position on the promise of purely rational algorithms applied?
Algorithms and algorithmic design are rational in the sense that they do not allow for ambiguity. But that doesn't make them rational in the real-world sense. These are not the same kind of 'rational's. I can make an algorithm that produces total nonsense, but does so completely reliably. I can also use an algorithm in a setting for which it wasn't intended, thus invalidating the results.
This is actually the crux of the problem. Which algorithms does one use to solve a problem and what data do they require? If you can't answer this question or if you do not understand the algorithms you are using (at least on a superficial level) then I'd say you have no business using them.
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David Rutten
david@mcneel.com
Tirol, Austria…
Added by David Rutten at 12:48pm on August 19, 2013