answer further on Friday.
The "ghdoc" variable and rhinoscriptsyntaxThe ghdoc variable is provided by the component if you select it as "target".You might ask yourself: "why do we need it"?Its use comes from the very design of the established RhinoScript library. This library is imperative, which means it is build from a set of procedures or functions that act on various geometrical types. Additionally, there is one level of indirection: most of the time, the user does not work with the geometry itself in the variable, but rather with Guid of geometry that is present in a document. This is exactly what ghdoc is: it is the document that the RhinoScript library always implicitly targets with all AddSomething() calls (for example, AddLine()).
Based on this comment...RhinoScript use within GhPython may be less idealThat comment is from a previous version of this component that did not have the ghdoc yet.With the ghdoc variable, the standard Rhino document target of RhinoScript is replaced, therefore we can use Grasshopper while leaving the Rhino document unchanged. This saves uncountable Undo's, and makes it easy to structure ideas through the definition graph
...is the rhinoscriptsyntax target irrelevant if using solely RhinoCommon classesYes. If you create class instances (objects), you will need to create also your own collection objects to store them (mostly lists, trees). You can imagine the ghdoc as being an alternative to them, just that you do not access data by index (number), but by Guid. So you can use the RhinoScript or the RhinoCommon libraries independently or mix them. The RhinoScript implementation in Rhino is open-source and is all written in RhinoCommon. Also the ghdoc implementation is open-source, and is here.
RhinoScript and/or RhinoCommon objects which are not recognized as valid Grasshopper geometryYes, sure, Grasshopper handles only a portion of all available types. Basically, unhandled types are all the types that do not exists in the 'Params' tab. For example, there is no textdot and no leader, so on line 149 there is a throw statement and all TextDot calls (about line 350) are commented out. When/if Grasshopper one day will support these types, these calls will be implemented.
DataTreeHere is a small sample. However, I think that 80% of the times it is not necessary to program for DataTrees, as the logic itself can be applied per-list and Grasshopper handles list-iteration.
I hope this helps,
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However, regarding the input of schedules, loads, constructions and etc., DB normally uses "Component " and "Template" (Page 29: Templates And Components; Page 591: Templates; Page 533: Components). "Templates" are databases of typical generic data, including Activity templates, Construction templates, Glazing templates, Facade templates, HVAC templates, Location Templates, and etc. "Component " are databases of individual data items (e.g. a construction type, material, window pane).
Both "Component " and "Template" are allowed to be imported and exported by using "Import / Export library data" command (.ddf format - DB Database File; Page 734: Import Components/Templates, Export Components/Templates). DB also allows us to build up our own libraries of templates and components (Page 731: Library Management; Page 733: Template Library Management).
In order to import both geometric information and other information related to schedules, loads, constructions and etc. from GH to BD, we supposed the following two ways:
1. GH(HB+GB) --> gbXML (both geometric and "Component " and "Template" information) --> DB
This is the way we most prefer. We did see information related to schedules, loads, constructions encoded in the gbXML file generated by GB, but still do not know the reason why DB did not take this information (I also mentioned this in Q6 within the gh file). We assume this might because the gbXML file we create encodes the schedules based on a different template / schema than the one DB expects. We also post this question to the DB forum for help.
(http://www.designbuilder.co.uk/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,25/page,viewtopic/p,13755/#13755)
2. GH(HB+GB) --> gbXML (geometric information only) + .ddf ("Component " and "Template" information only) --> DB
If the first way doesn't work and DB only takes geometric information from the gbXML, then we might think of the other way - generating the .ddf files from GH(HB+GB) to pass the schedule, load and construction information to DB.
I was wondering if it is feasible for HB and GB to have this function? And what is your suggestion to achieve this?
In addition, we notice that DB can export XML files (not gbXML), so we are trying to figure out if DB also accepts / reads the XML file. If so, we might be able to convert the gbXML (with both geometric and schedule information) to XML. What do you think about that?
Thank you again for all your help!
Best,
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th one element which is a list of 10 numbers?
I can flatten it and get (I think) a list of 10 elements (even though when I hover over the output of "Flatten" it says "Tree(T) as tree"). I'm surprised I can flatten at all what would appear to common sense to be a simple list of 10 numbers.
I'm hoping that if I can get this answered it will become obvious why we have trees of lists rather than just lists of lists as you would in most computer languages. That's my real goal - to understand the purpose of adding what seems like an unnecessary complication - trees - to the concept of lists in GH. It seems to me as though a "tree" is just a list of other "trees" until you get to the leaves where you can have "lists" which are identical to trees but can have something other than a tree in them. Whether you can have lists of trees or trees with no lists I'm unclear on. Do the leaves of trees have to be lists? Do lists have to be contained in trees? It would appear from the series example where a tree is produced for no obvious reason to contain the list that this is the case but given that you can flatten it, I guess not - or is the "List" I see in the param viewer just another type of "tree"?
I've found many tutorials that talk about how to manipulate trees and lists and I've managed to get along fairly well with them so far, but nothing seems to explain the reasoning behind the existence of trees and the philosophy for how and when they should be used and when lists should/could be used and precisely what the difference is between them.
Sorry to be long winded but I'm so confused!
Darrell Plank
P.S. I've seen David Rutten's diagram with the colored leaves in Grasshopper Primer 2 and that seems helpful. It would appear that trees can only have lists at their leaves and lists can't have trees although I'm not sure that it comes out and says that directly but at least there are no examples of this shown in his tree diagram. I thought I had it down pretty much so decided to test myself. Apparently I'm as confused as ever:
It certainly appears to me that this tree has two levels - a first level with one limb and a second with 10 limbs - and that I should be able to index it with {0;0} and retrieve a tree with one item in it - the list {0}. The panel data seems to confirm this with indices of {0;0;0}, etc. so I put this path in with quite a bit of confidence that it would work and...bust. The error reads "Path {0;0} does not exist within this tree". Huh? Again, I'm just so confused.…
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thing that MicroStation does (or doesn't). The eternal debate between us is that they focus to the so called BIM aspect of things (and obviously on interoperability matters - that said IFC2*4 is" implemented" in certain Bentley verticals like BA and others) whilst I'm after assembly/component puzzles (and on that matter ... MS ...hmm... to put it politely is not exactly CATIA and/or NX, he he).
On the other hand this paranoid obsession with Level/Layer driven CAD (I hate it) defines a red thick line between CAD and MCAD - because the most intelligent importer can't emulate the way that Siemens NX/CATIA classifies objects - and without control power means nothing.
On the other hand Microstation V9 (...soon) has interesting scripting capabilities (think Modo rather Generative Components) ... meaning that Grasshopper could work there in a rather nice way. I think that I must talk for that to Ray (he recently ditched the ancient legacy MS render engine in favor for the Luxology/Nexus engine). Ray still is negative to buy Act3D mind (hope that you know the mother of visual scripting - the Quest3D VR thing).
On the other hand - within the broad AEC aspect - things these days are different (especially in fast developing countries the likes of UAE, Saudi Arabia, certain ex USSR "democracies" etc etc). Studies are outsourced even at Preliminary Design stage to various sub-contractors (they undertake the Study completion per discipline as well). This means that N separate groups doing M aspects of the whole ... meaning entropy^(N*M) - that's chaos in plain English.
With this in mind I'm quite (a lot) skeptical about the practical meaning of the whole exchange thing in AEC - at least with regard the countries mentioned (not to mention that several portions of a modern AEC thing are made via MCAD apps - chaos^chaos.
I'll back with more focused issues on that matter.
But the big question is: Grasshopper of Generative Components? Well...let's talk serious SS bikes instead: think a Ducati 1198 and a BMW S1000RR (I have them both): which is "best"? The thing is that not always the best bunny is the fasted bunny and not always the fasted bunny is the best bunny.
Cheers,
Peter
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try now to integrate Geco in an interdisciplinary architectural engineering studio: hoping we can show you some nice applications of your tool, I'll keep you update and sending now details by e-mail. Here the file (very welcome to be shared). It most probably contais trivial errors by me, thanks for helping and giving some tip! Gr. Michela
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Ok, right, I see the outputs update correctly. Origin of problems must be in some different mistake I do:
- Incident radiation: I am not sure I understand what is going on: why I get so many 'not a number' ? (The Galapagos report is full of NaNs).
Bio-Diversity: 0.887 Genome[0], Fitness=NaN, Genes [89% · 44%] { Record: Too many fitness values supplied } ...
Genome[7], Fitness=NaN, Genes [74%] { Record: No fitness value was supplied } ....
Genome[9], Fitness=NaN, Genes [37% · 11%] { Record: Genome was mutated to avoid collision Record: Too many fitness values supplied }
- Daylight calculations: the geometry accumulates withouth deleting the previous models. As a consequance, results almost do not change after few varations (so, outputs get updated but do not vary). In current daylight definition: the first object being imported is the one where the grid has to fit; its setting makes it cancelling all the other objects during import. All the others, do not delete anything when imported. When running loops (manual or GA) that vary parameters, the entire geometry do not get cancelled - so I guess the loop does not pass back by the cancelling step, but imports only the geometry which has been varied by the parameters using the setting of that import component only? I will then try again by changing the order of the operations, but if you have specfic tips, let me know.
THANKS!
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