was not all there myself. Overall the night wasn't that productive so I wanted to apologize, I will do a better job in the future.
Attached to this message is the Assignment sheet for the upcoming week. Please post the picture of the models before 7:00 PM Monday 2/16.
Here is a link to the completed script from last night, as well as the Rhino file and presentation pdf.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3g6fnue93dk8iub/AAB88CNVCtC64cmz_ENLlojQa?dl=0
A few notes:
- I added two separate tags to the end of the script. One set is for the 3D model of your form, locating where the pieces originally come from. The second set is for the flattened out sections, which can be etched on your pieces to actually locate them when they are physically created. Play around a bit in the script and try to understand what is going on between the different parts.
-Baking: We went over baking in last weeks class. You right click on the component you want in the physical realm and select bake. Rhino will then ask you to select a layer to place the items on. I would suggest having two layers, one will be for cutting and one will be for etching (when you bake the tags(optional)). Once the pieces are in Rhino, you can use the Make2d command and export to AutoCad where you can laser cut (if you are unsure about this process, Google it as there are numerous tutorials).
-I would recommend using chipboard as it is the cheapest and most readily available, but don't let me chain your creativity if you come up with another material.
I look forward to seeing your guys models. See you Monday!
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pavilion) and from that i want to fabricate it using some paper or card bored .
for modeling the pavilion i used a simple kangaroo based algorithm to generate the desired form using mesh 3d plane faces . there was no problem with this part and i was able to get the mesh from geometry out put . then i wanted to use that output mesh to panelize it and then adding tabs and the nesting and cutting to get the parts. but the problem was every tutorial i looked up were using surfaces to panelize and nest so this was the first problem to convert the mesh into a surface and then panelazing and nesting . i tried using the mesh2nurbs but it didn't work out for me . (because i needed a single surface not some poly surfaces) . (attachment | input mesh )
so i started from the beginning and tried using a surface as an input for kangaroo and thus getting a surface as an output so i did that and tried to create a surface by the Surface from points component . and the result was not good the surface was kinda messed up and the the reason was the points were not ordered well i guess . so this was another problem for me . (attachment | input surface)(picture below)
so basically i have a few main questions :
1. is there a tutorial or any topic or book or somthing that explains from 0 to 100 from design to fabrication (as an example a pavilion) ?
2. can i use the mesh to panelize and nest and then fabricate ? and are there any tips or tricks to it ?
3. is the starting from surface for me a good idea or not ?
i am extremely sorry for talking this much and i'm grateful for the time you spent on reading this .
best wishes ; Babak.
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actually can perform using a dedicated software:
in 3D:
https://www.facebook.com/francescopiasentini/videos/523532707845171/
in 2D:
https://vimeo.com/189618609
The output of Modal Analysis (at a given frequency) is a list of point (x,y,z), each of them has the three coordinates and the maximum displacement in the direction normal to the surface (that's not flat)
Point number x y zmax1 24,007565 337,876028 -0,6545572 -28,0404705 337,947773 0,7760153 57,141457 316,757768 -0,8413914 18,667466 314,814543 -0,235288
My idea is:
-import stl surfaces of the object (violin)
-import Modal Analysis data
-deform stl (or Nurbs) surfaces using something like a customized CageEdit
-animate this deformation from zero to maximum displacement
-give a color to deformation (or first-second derivative of the interpoled deformation curves)
My wish is to have closed surfaces at any steps, and to create "natural" deformation shapes.
I just tried to import MA data. I was trying to create an array of circles with given x,y,z and radius, I could not figure how to separate information of position and radius when importing the file:
file content:
0,1,0; 5;2,1,3; 2;5,2,6; 4;
thanks for yout attention.
Looking forward to hear you soon!
Francesco
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e chosen to dive into Grasshopper. I’m about 6 months in. If some of my comments are completely off, please take that to mean that a feature is too inaccessible to a newish user rather that it’s just missing, as I may have stated.
One of my primary pain points is this. Things that can be done in other programs are invariably easier in other programs. This is a big enough issue that I doubt there’s an easy solution that an armchair qb like myself can offer up.
The interface:
I’ve used a lot of 3D programs. I’ve never encountered one as difficult as grasshopper. What in other programs is a dialog box, is 8 or 10 components strung together in grasshopper. The wisdom for this I often hear among the grasshopper community is that this allows for parametric design. Yet PTC (Parametric Technology Corp.) has been doing parametric design software since 1985 and has a far cleaner and more intuitive interface. So does SolidWorks, Inventor, CATIA, NX, and a bunch of others.
In the early 2000's, when parametric design software was all the rage, McNeel stated quite strongly the Rhino would remain a direct modeler and would not become a parametric modeler. Trends come. Trends go. And the industry has been swinging back to direct modeling. So McNeel’s decision was probably ok. But I have to wonder if part of McNeel’s reluctance to incorporate some of the tried and proven ideas of other parametric packages doesn't have roots in their earlier declaration to not incorporate parametrics.
A Visual Programming Language:
I read a lot about the awesomeness and flexibility of Grasshopper being a visual programming language. Let’s be clear, this is DOS era speak. I believe GH should continue to have the ability to be extended and massaged with code, as most design programs do. But as long as this is front and center, GH will remain out of reach to the average designer.
Context sensitivity:
There is no reason a program in 2014 should allow me to make decisions that will not work. For example, if a component input is in all cases incompatible with another component's output, I shouldn't be able to connect them.
Sliders:
I hate sliders. I understand them, but I hate ‘em. I think they should be optional. Ya, I know I can r-click on the N of a component and set the integer. It’s a pain, and it gives no feedback. The “N” should turn into the number if set. AAAnd, sliders should be context sensitive. I like that the name of a slider changes when I plug it into something. But if I plug it into something that'll only accept a 1, a 2, or a 3, that slider should self set accordingly. I shouldn't be able to plug in a “50” and have everything after turn red.
Components:
Give components a little “+” or a drawer on the bottom or something that by clicking, opens the component into something akin to a dialog box. This should give access to all of the variables in the component. I shouldn't have to r-click on each thing on a component to do all of the settings.
And this item I’m guessing on. I’m not yet good enough at GH to know if this may have adverse effects. Reverse, Flatten, Graft, etc.; could these be context sensitive? Could some of these items disappear if they are contextually inappropriate or gray out if they're unlikely?
Tighter integration with Rhino:
I'm not entirely certain what this would look like. Currently my work flow entails baking, making a few Rhino edits, and reinserting into GH. I question the whole baking thing, btw. Why isn't it just live geometry? That’s how other parametric apps work. Maybe add more Rhino functionality to GH. GH has no 3D offset. I have to bake, offsetserf, and reinsert the geometry. I’m currently looking at the “Geometry Cache” and “Geometry Pipeline” components to see if they help. But I haven't been able to figure it out. Which leads me to:
Update all of the documentation:
I'm guessing this is an in process thing and you're working toward rolling GH from 0.9.00075 to 1.0. GH was being updated nearly weekly earlier this year. Then it suddenly stopped. If we're talking weeks before a full release, so be it. But if we're looking at something longer, a documentation update would help a lot. Geometry Cache and Geometry Pipeline’s help still read “This is the autogenerated help topic for this object. Developers: override the HtmlHelp_Source() function in the base class to provide custom help.” This does not help. And the Grasshopper Primer 2nd Ed. was written for GH 0.60007.
Grasshopper is fundamentally a 2D program:
I know you'll disagree completely, but I'm sticking to this. How else could an omission like offsetsurf happen? Pretty much every 3D program in existence has this. I’m sure I can probably figure out how to deconstruct the breps, join the curves, loft, trim, and so forth. But does writing an algorithm to do what all other 3D programs do with a dialog box seem reasonable? I'm sure if you go command by command you'll find a ton on such things.
If you look at the vast majority of things done in GH, you'll note that they're mostly either flat or a fundamentally 2D pattern on a warped surface.
I've been working on a part that is a 3D voronoi trimmed to a 3D model. I've been trying to turn the trimmed voronoi into legitimate geometry for over a month without success.
http://www.grasshopper3d.com/profiles/blogs/question-voronoi-3d-continued
I’ve researched it enough to have found many others have had the exact same problem and have not solved it. It’s really not that conceptually difficult. But GH lacks the tools.
Make screen organization easier:
I have a touch of OCD, and I like my GH layout to flow neatly. Allow input/output nodes to be re-ordered. This will allow a reduction in crossed wires. Make the wire positions a bit more editable. I sometimes use a geometry component as a wire anchor to clean things up. Being able to grab a wire and pull it out of the way would be kinda nice.
I think GH has some awesome abilities. I also think accessing those abilities could be significantly easier.
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cremental release is available for download. It fixes several bugs reported in the 0.9.0005 & 0.9.0006 versions. To wit:
Computer mice with smooth scrolling would not zoom well, this is fixed.
Previewable parameters with a lot of consecutive null items would crash, this is fixed.
Identical GHA files would collide during the loading process, this is handled.
GHA files with identical names would collide during the loading process, this is handled.
Solver Undo setting was not persistent, this is fixed.
Widget ZUI Zoom setting was not persistent, this is fixed.
Markov Widget Corner setting was not persistent, this is fixed.
Markov Widget Suggestion Count setting was not persistent, this is fixed.
Drag and Drop on Document and Template preview materials wasn't recorded, this is fixed.
AssignDataToParameter() COM-Access method was broken, this is fixed.
Geometry and Generic parameters with persistent data would not deserialize correctly, this is fixed.
Operator shortcuts via the Canvas popup instantiation menu no longer assigned data to the second parameter, this is fixed.
Cull Duplicates component did not always show the correct label upon deserialization, this is fixed.
Legacy VB/C# components would not correctly deserialize List access on input parameters, this is fixed.
Cloud Display component would still display old sprites on disconnect, this is fixed.
Minor changes to a document would trigger lengthy preview cache updates, slowing Grasshopper down. This is fixed.
Sphere 4Pt did not work correctly, this it fixed.
Failed data conversions in parameters would result in missing entries, this is fixed.
Text Tag components (2D & 3D) would not bake via the component menu, this is fixed.
There are also some new features:
Added Jump object for quickly navigating across a Canvas (Params.Util dropdown).
Added Relative Differences component which is basically the inverse of Mass Addition (Math.Operators dropdown).
Added tooltip wiggle controls to the Preferences window, Interface section.
'Draw Full Names' now also attempts to change the display of existing components, but only in the active document.
Drag+Dropping GHA, GHPY and GHUSER files onto the canvas now puts the original file into the bin.
Replaced Set Union component with a new one that has variable input parameters.
Replaced Set Intersection component with a new one that has variable input parameters.
Replaced And and Ternary And components with a single new one that has variable input parameters.
Replaced Or and Ternary Or components with a single new one that has variable input parameters.
Replaced Concatenate component with a new one that has variable input parameters.
Concatenate component now has a segment join option available via the component menu.
Added Digit options to the Transform Matrix Display object.
Integer parameters which represent options now have more informative context menus.
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David Rutten
david@mcneel.com
Poprad, Slovakia
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Added by David Rutten at 11:06am on September 14, 2012
eroberfläche des Grasshopper Programms
Funktionsprinzip eines grafischen Algorithmus-Editors (Datenfluss)
Unterscheidung von Parametern (Datentypen) und Komponenten (Datenverarbeitung)
Erzeugung, Bearbeitung und Analyse von Geometrie-Typen: Punkte, Vektoren, Linien, Kurven, Flächen (surfaces, brep) und Netze (meshes)
Strukturierung der Daten anhand von Listen und Bäumen
unterschiedliche Verknüpfungsmöglichkeiten von Parametern (data matching)
praxisnahe Grundlagen der Geometrie und Vektorrechnung für generatives Design
effizienter Aufbau von parametrischen Modellen anhand Übungsaufgaben
Auszug von Daten aus Modellen für die Fertigung; Daten aus Tabellen (Excel, CSV) importieren, exportieren
Einsatz von benutzerdefinierten Komponenten (custom components)
Vorkenntnisse: Rhinoceros3d Benutzeroberfläche der Software: Englisch Unterrichtssprache: Deutsch
Details und Anmeldung:
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click: SUCHE
Kurstitel: GRASSHOPPER
oder direkt:
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Trainer: Peter Mehrtens
Kursdauer: 3 Tage / 8 Stunden pro Tag
Freitag, 19.07.2013, 08:00-17:00 Uhr Samstag, 20.07.2013, 08:00-17:00 Uhr Sonntag, 21.07.2013, 08:00-17:00 Uhr Ort: Volkshochschule Schwäbisch Hall, im Haus der Bildung
Teilnahmegebühr: 349,00 € Teilnehmerzahl: 4-10 Personen
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berfläche des Grasshopper Programms
Funktionsprinzip eines grafischen Algorithmus-Editors (Datenfluss)
Unterscheidung von Parametern (Datentypen) und Komponenten (Datenverarbeitung)
Erzeugung, Bearbeitung und Analyse von Geometrie-Typen: Punkte, Vektoren, Linien, Kurven, Flächen (surfaces, brep) und Netze (meshes)
Strukturierung der Daten anhand von Listen und Bäumen
unterschiedliche Verknüpfungsmöglichkeiten von Parametern (data matching)
praxisnahe Grundlagen der Geometrie und Vektorrechnung für generatives Design
effizienter Aufbau von parametrischen Modellen anhand Übungsaufgaben
Auszug von Daten aus Modellen für die Fertigung; Daten aus Tabellen (Excel, CSV) importieren, exportieren
Einsatz von benutzerdefinierten Komponenten (custom components)
Vorkenntnisse: Rhinoceros3d Benutzeroberfläche der Software: Englisch Unterrichtssprache: Deutsch, auf Wunsch auch Englisch
Details und Anmeldung:
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Dieser Kurs wird in Kooperation mit ifBau gGmbH und VHS Stuttgart angeboten, und wird von ifBau als Fortbildung für Mitglieder der Architektenkammer BW anerkannt.
Trainer: Peter Mehrtens
Kursdauer: 3 Tage / 8 Stunden pro Tag
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Teilnahmegebühr: 510,00 € Teilnehmerzahl: 4-10 Personen
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Amuse yourself by trying to figure what kind of series logic could deploy (or not) these room unit combos across the blue space grid shown.
2. Let's assume that surgery etc etc departments are sited in some ground floor and their requirement for rooms is variable ... meaning that some kind of heuristic GH approach must be applied here (for instance : fill the first level with rooms required by all departments with min distance from a given core and if more are required go to next floor etc etc).
The real room unit cluster looks like that (all units are prefab)
3. Voids in the whole cluster deployment (avoid Soviet type of bloc aesthetics) mean that culling could be challenge here (we need ...er..."visual" culling , so to speak)
4. After finishing some solution create custom preview(s) in order to visualize what dept owns what rooms.
5. If in trouble with Architectural things > relax > be cool > open 3d PDF > be a great Architect in just 10 easy steps.
PS: of course I know GH clusters...but as they are they violate my rule N1: never walk the walk if no return is possible, he he. But assuming that David could resolve the return issue (sure he can) this is NOT the answer for my "proposal" for multiple Canvas - again like multiple Views in any CAD stuff these days. Just imagine clusters with some serious hierarchy depth > where am I ? what input comes from what output?
I'll be back with a chaotic case (Series in complete anarchy) in order to demonstrate the critical necessity for a visual Tree Manager/Viewer (a visual thing within the GH visual thing). For manager read : decomposer, composer, visual identifier (per data item/branch) tree re-mapper, anything actually.
more soon (and a in depth analysis about what a Tree Manager/Viewer should do - in an ideal world, that is)
Cheers, Peter
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for this purpose. So, without paying attention to the video, this time, this is the synthesis of the process:1. generate 3d network from points and applying tensegrity physics via kangaroo:
2. option 1: generate surfaces from network using network fillet/patch tools from GeometryGym:
3. option 2: same as option 1, but this time the network is affected by the wooly paths script in order to create the 'tensioned' curves via attraction and then creating the surfaces with GeometryGym:
4. close-up:
The goal is to achieve "option 2" without using wooly paths so that the minimal surfaces are generated as the curve network is affected by kangaroo-driven tensegrity. I want the model to be a more 'real-time' simulation instead of generating the tensioned network and doing the surfaces as a post-process. I hope that explains my intention a bit more!
the wooly paths script I'm using is the "woolier paths" one or #2, I believe.
Thanks again! I hope you can help me, and sorry for any confusions!…