generative modeling for Rhino
I want to create an arc between two points, using the catenary curve.
The catenary curve should touch a sloping plane above in one point. in this point, the tangent of the catenary will be a line on the sloping plane.
Since the catenary command in Grasshopper possesses a curve length input, i was trying to approximate the length using Galapagos. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out the conditions properly.
One could be something like "find the circle between two curves with the smallest possible radius".. but that would also apply on intersections, which I need to avoid.
Does anybody have an idea, for clearly defining conditions??
Here's my approach. Basic idea is to solve the two intersection points between the catenary and the plane, then try and minimize the distance between those points. Problem of course is that not all catenary lengths result in two intersection points but the solver seems to be able to deal with that.
Thanks a lot David, great idea
I'll try it later today.
Okay, I just tried it.
works so far. I assume, it is due to the way grasshopper creates the catenary, by approximating it with a certain amount of polyline segments, that my two points won't get closer than in the picture.
I guess there is no way to increase the accuracy of the catenary, without going into the script, right??
Anyways, the result is satisfying.
Thanks you very much
You could create a nurbs curve from the catenary, then you will no longer be plagued by the linear segment problem. Also, increase the number of decimals on the slider to get a more accurate solution.
I did that. That is why I wondered about the two intersection points. It seems that the catenary is created in incremental steps and the NURBS-curve adopts this characteristic
Anyways the result is close enough
Here is what I figured out so far:
The three catenaries meet in one point, if every catenary connects a point Pi (imagine the i as an index-i) and its coherent mirrored through the center C of the connecting circle.
Now it would be interesting to know about the relation between position of the peak point H to the other points, or the plane of our circle K. Or any relations in this setting.
Any information is greatly appreciated, i will try to update this post, if i get to know something....
And most important!!!:
Is this set stable? or will it crash? I could imagine, that every catenary segment, since it is connected to two others (which have double the weight as in the case of a normal catenary) behaves different.
A catenary curve only simulates the ideal shape for a single curve. When you start to create a network the shapes will change. The image you posted is almost certainly not stable.
You can probably solve a network of cables using Kangaroo, I'm pretty sure I saw a video of that once.